08-06-2014, 01:43 PM | #1 |
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Holding off on Dinan stage 1
After much negative reviews, I've decided to delay my installation. I called Dinan to inform them of the poor performance and they said they are unaware of this? I asked them to have anyone who had the stage one installed in either an M5 or M6 call me. As of yet...no one!
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08-06-2014, 01:52 PM | #2 |
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I have Stage 2 and it gave me 60-70hp when it worked, right now the DTronics is being swapped. I told the dealer to hustle it up and get all my stuff done today so I can test it tomorrow. I will be posting Vbox data if they get it done today per my request.
If you want to know the story, check my thread over in the M5 forum. |
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08-06-2014, 06:06 PM | #4 | |
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Unfortunately, people are going to hate on something they cant afford, just what it seems to be seen around the forums. What are they comparing it to ? BMS ? That's like apples to oranges. Completely different. Anyone who says "ohh is the same thing". They have no idea what they are talking about. Dinan's tune works great. BMS tune works great. I've installed and driven both multiple times. PM me for questions you have and I'll give my honest opinion on both. |
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08-06-2014, 08:21 PM | #5 |
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08-06-2014, 09:26 PM | #6 | ||
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I am sure they both work great. I think the 'hating' going on is from people that don't see the advantage of an expensive DINAN tune vs. an inexpensive BMS tune. What it really comes down to is this... They both do the same shit via manipulation of sensors. People that like "DINAN" are going to buy DINAN partly because of the brand and partly because they get a 'warm-n-fuzzy' trusted feeling they are buying "DINAN". I think the HP/Torque freaks are going to run with the BMS because the numbers are better. I myself would certainly not drop the cash on the DINAN tune and give up my BMS tune as I have no flippin' idea why I would do that -- no reason for it. Just throwing out my 02 cents... Take it for what it is. Brian
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08-07-2014, 01:14 PM | #10 | |
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Sure their products are not cheap, I agree. And yes with Dinan you do get the backing of a larger company that "if" your vehicle does fail what's going to happen if you were running BMS ? Everyone says "just remove it and no one will know".. I laugh at that because they think that dealer techs wont be able to find it out, the truth is that they can. So aside from the peace of mind from that, you will have pretty similar performance numbers from both. (If you leave your BMS setting around 2.5) With BMS you will have stronger gains because it is user friendly and allows us to raise the boost at our own desire. Sure its faster, is it safer ? No one really knows. Who tunes the BMS boxes ? What's really being controlled thru 2 sensors and the box ? These questions have been addressed to BMS many many times by myself and others with no solid response. And its not to bash BMS, I have ran BMS and have been very satisfied with the results. The Dinan Dtronics connects directly to both factory computers to control/produce a much more larger and smoother control of all aspects that your ECU's are putting out. The engine's characteristic is smoother and the control of the engines changes to how we are driving the car respond better. If anyone is in Socal and want to have a ride along, I have no problem doing so |
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08-07-2014, 02:29 PM | #11 |
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Well, let's be honest here. The dealer would have no chance of figuring out that BMS caused the issue, if that were to happen, if you do remove the box and clear the fault codes. At that point they would be acting on suspicion and laying any blame would be the equivalent of pointing accusations at a customer, which no respectable business would risk doing without concrete proof. But from another perspective, you are correct it is much safer to run the Dinan from a warranty and peace of mind, but is that little added blanket of security really worth that premium? I guess the answer varies from one person to another.
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Now if you are talking about something like ECU software it's a different story (for me at least). I would feel much more comfortable going with DINAN vs. an off the wall company that lacks in support. Not saying Burger is off the wall but I feel they are more of a grass roots type company (nothing wrong with that). I would want peace of mind knowing if my car didn't "boot up" when started I could pick up the phone and call Joe Blow at DINAN and at minimum have someone to yell at. Brian
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/// 2o13 m6 f13 . jb4 tuned . meth injected . msr intake . 21" adv1 wheels . eisenmann race w/ catless DPs . vorsteiner full aero . accuair e-level w/ bagged KW V3 struts . dinan sways . bel stir+ w/ alp jammer . jl audio subs
/// 2o13 x5m e70 . velos tuned . 22" adv1 wheels . dropped on kw variant3 coilovers . passport 9500ci radar & jammer. gets groceries fast |
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08-07-2014, 03:20 PM | #13 | |
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I'm not confident in this one too. The s63tu may be able to generate more power/torque and this boxes for sure trigger the engine to produce more power by changing the boost, but are the other parts like DCT and Differential able to tolerate those power/torque? I want the answer to this! For example the transferred torque to differential is much higher than the torque at crank for the first 4 gears (it's multiplied by gear ratio) so more torque at crank means more torque on differential! even DCT has to be able to tolerate that torque when is generated by engine! The DCT part number is 7DCI700 manufactured by GETRAG and is rated to 700 NM or 516 lb-ft. Now is it safe for DCT to get more than rated torque from engine??? People says Germans are always underrated. I buy is but how much? 10%? 20%? 30? ... see that's the questions must be asked. I sent email to Dinan and asked this question... they never got back to me!!
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/// 2o13 x5m e70 . velos tuned . 22" adv1 wheels . dropped on kw variant3 coilovers . passport 9500ci radar & jammer. gets groceries fast |
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It is not in routine service to review this, that's time spent they are not getting paid for. But for review of a "warranty repair" for a turbo, transmission, engine...of course the real root cause will be found. I agree with your second statment. BMS (again, I'm not hating) but, they are not sending any information to the engine control modules. The computers are adjusting to ONLY 2 sensors which are manipulated by the tuned box BMS provides, which again who makes the tune ? BMS or another paid party ? No one seems to know that answer as well. Dinan's setup is connected directly to both computers, which in turn are adjusting the transmission's adaptation. These vehicles are that sensitive that all drivability modules are constant communication with each other and in turn will adapt to changes. |
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