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      12-16-2013, 12:16 PM   #23
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My question was with regard to the coupe and not the GC. Even so, I test drove the 6GC and then hopped into the driver's side rear seat after having done so. Though there's more leg and head room than in the coupe, I wouldn't call it spacious, but it's passable for a 15 minute ride from the office to a restaurant for lunch, but it's hardly what one would expect from a four door car of that size. My 535i has more room back there and is certainly a nice car to drive or ride in.

The 6 GC is quite stunning looking, if not a good value for the money (IMO), and I'm not totally sworn off of it as the replacement for my e92, but I'm certainly going to wait for the F32 to come out before I make my buying decision. I'm not really seeking a GT-type of car. Despite wanting a bit more luxury/panache, that's something I can surely do without. First and foremost, every car, to me, is transportation and as such, each seat in my cars must be at least as endurable as a seat on a commuter jet for a one hour trip. I feel that if the seats are worse than that, there's no point in having a seat.

I just switched from a 535 to a 6 GC. I've never had a complaint about back seat space in either vehicle. That said, I probably wouldn't want to sit in the back of a GC for a road trip...
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I just switched from a 535 to a 6 GC. I've never had a complaint about back seat space in either vehicle. That said, I probably wouldn't want to sit in the back of a GC for a road trip...
Yes, I don't think folks would complain. It's fine for 15 minutes or less if, say, I and a few colleagues are going to lunch together and it's a short drive away. In that situation, I'd even skootch my driver's seat forward a bit if need be. (I'm six feet tall and sit up straight so my arm is mostly extended when holding the wheel at noon/one-ish.)

I've never had anyone even hint that my F10 hasn't enough legroom in the rear. I would have thought the 6GC, being based on the F10, would have had similar room, but it doesn't. Just goes to show you how one basic chassis can yield very different results when it comes to final execution.

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The backseats are there to lower your insurance premiums.

Not for human beings -- adults, children, or otherwise.
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      12-16-2013, 11:03 PM   #26
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Can someone explain why the 4 (formerly 3 coupe) has more backseat than the 6? I don't really mind because I don't like taking people in the backseat anyway, but I just don't understand how this happens. Other than looks, where do we see and feel the bigger size of the 6 series? The trunk?

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Can someone explain why the 4 (formerly 3 coupe) has more backseat than the 6? I don't really mind because I don't like taking people in the backseat anyway, but I just don't understand how this happens. Other than looks, where do we see and feel the bigger size of the 6 series? The trunk?
You are asking about the 6 coupe, right?

I doubt you'll get a better answer than "because BMW built it that way." But because it's built that way, short of boxes of tissue, a purse and assorted small acquisitions, little fits back there. It's also awkward to even get dry cleaning in and out from back there if one has more than just a few items.

I can speculate, and doing so I will offer the following:
  • the 6er is a GT car. Such cars rarely have more than a passing nod to a back seat. Few folks "grand tour" with more than one passenger, and I say "few" solely because it's hard to say "nobody" and be right.
  • the 3/4 series is more a daily driver type car for most folks. As a DD, it must have a reasonable level of general use functionality and one aspect of that is having a adult-useable rear seat. The majority of 3/4 series buyers will care about the blend of looks, practicality, ease of ownership and to some extent price. Most 6er customers are buying for the looks of the car and it's luxury and exclusivity.
  • few people cross shop the 3/4 series coupe with the 6er coupe. I would imagine that like me, those who do so with a mind for a DD, end up buying the 3/4 car. Those who do so seeking a personal luxury car choose the 6er.
You will feel the greater heft of the 6er when you drive the car. There's nothing light and nimble about the way it drives. It's at home in big sweeping curves and long rolling hills. It can make its way through quick, tight, twisty curves, but not with the same aplomb a 3/4 coupe can. You are very aware that you are pushing two tons of metal and leather into and through every curve, even if the car isn't heaving violently left and right. (an M6 takes on such things better, but it's still not the car you want for doing so -- better an M3/4) That said, it's certainly not any worse than most other GT cars, and is indeed better than many.



Is the trunk actually larger? I don't know. I didn't get so far into comparing the two that trunk size came into the equation.


Which "this" is it that you don't understand how it happens? That the 6 has less space in the back seat or how folks end up having to drive with more than one passenger.


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      12-17-2013, 02:18 PM   #28
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Can someone explain why the 4 (formerly 3 coupe) has more backseat than the 6? I don't really mind because I don't like taking people in the backseat anyway, but I just don't understand how this happens. Other than looks, where do we see and feel the bigger size of the 6 series? The trunk?
3/4 are meant to be daily driver from start hence the better practicality. 4 is simply the sportier version of 3. 6 is more of a somewhat practical sports car than a daily driver. 6 was built for a completely different purpose than 3/4. Bigger number does not always equate to better practicality.

Trunk is a joke on the 6. The trunk's shallow opening makes its nice depth useless. I have trouble stuffing long boxes because of the shallow/small opening. For me, the biggest obvious thing on the 6 is the hood. Claying the damn thing takes forver...
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The backseats are there to lower your insurance premiums.

Not for human beings -- adults, children, or otherwise.
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      12-23-2013, 12:40 PM   #30
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Useless Back Seat

The reason why the bigger 6 had less back seat room then the smaller 2 or 4, is BMWs attempt to make the 6 a performance car. By moving the engine closer to the middle of the car ("mid-engine"), they can give the car better handling. So the room that is not there in the back seat, is empty space in the engine compartment. I traded in a 3 convertible for a 6, and the handling difference is very noticeable. So I use my back seat for packages only.



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Can someone explain why the 4 (formerly 3 coupe) has more backseat than the 6? I don't really mind because I don't like taking people in the backseat anyway, but I just don't understand how this happens. Other than looks, where do we see and feel the bigger size of the 6 series? The trunk?
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      12-23-2013, 12:53 PM   #31
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The reason why the bigger 6 had less back seat room then the smaller 2 or 4, is BMWs attempt to make the 6 a performance car. By moving the engine closer to the middle of the car ("mid-engine"), they can give the car better handling. So the room that is not there in the back seat, is empty space in the engine compartment. I traded in a 3 convertible for a 6, and the handling difference is very noticeable. So I use my back seat for packages only.
No.

Most of the handling improvements are from the lower center of gravity, which is primarily from seats that are lower to the ground. Since the seats are lower, your legs stick out more forward, so the seats (front) had to move back for enough room. Simple enough.

The Grand Touring comments are spot on though, this is a car designed for a max of 2 people 95% of the time.
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      12-23-2013, 03:23 PM   #32
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THIS is a personal GT coupe that can fit people in the back.
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      12-23-2013, 05:23 PM   #33
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THIS is a personal GT coupe that can fit people in the back.


I'm sure someone else here is old enough to remember that car. I do. There wasn't nearly as much room in the backs of most of those kinds of cars ("personal luxury" cars I think is the moniker that was used for them). A lot of folks "dissed" them because they were huge and yet still had no space inside. If ever there were a car that was mostly just big and showy for the sake of being big and showy, personal luxury cars were one such type of car.

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I remember them well. The gas gauge needle moved faster than the speedometer needle.


Funny, but sadly true too. I know the younger folks might think you and I are exaggerating, but we aren't.

I remember Dad's Buick Electra. I quite distinctly recall flooring the gas one time driving around the DC Beltway (I was 16) and the gas needle did actually move right before my eyes as the speedo crept it's way slowly 70, 75, 80, 85, 90....that's when I noticed the gas gauge moving and I slowed down. From then on, I drove quite gingerly with that car.

I was 16 and Dad knew quite well that if I drove like a bat out of hell, I wouldn't have money to refill the gas tank to get back home. My parents never gave me the car with more than enough to get to the closest gas station and put in however much gas they'd given me money for, along with the money they'd given me to to spend at my destination. The gas money was always just enough to cover the round trip I told them I was making.

I did exactly the same thing with my own kids. It's amazing how much becoming a parent puts one's own parents in a whole new light....

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No you cannot. Buy the GC if you need rear passenger accomodation
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Backseats in the F13 are good for briefcases, a bag of groceries, or the mail. For carrying people, they are every bit as useful as those in the 911.
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Moving from a Z4 to a 6 - loads more room behind the driver / passenger seats. Only for very short journeys or a small infant!
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The best thing one could do with the backseat in the F12/13 is fold it down for cargo. Wonder why they didn't do that?
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The best thing one could do with the backseat in the F12/13 is fold it down for cargo. Wonder why they didn't do that?
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Maybe not enough space to lay the back of the seat flat?
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As I glanced through this thread I panicked a bit until I realized you were talking about the 2-door Coupe and not the GC. lol
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don't be fooled, you cant fit 2 adults in the back seat of the GC either, just children or very small adults
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don't be fooled, you cant fit 2 adults in the back seat of the GC either, just children or very small adults
I've had a 6 foot plus rear seat passenger comment on how much space there was in the back of the GC.
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