BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   6Post.com | BMW 6-Series Forum > BMW 6 Series Forum > BMW M6 Forum (F12 / F13)

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-13-2012, 05:02 PM   #23
TheBingoBalls
Brigadier General
TheBingoBalls's Avatar
Canada
3805
Rep
4,655
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Toronto, Ontario

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by m630 View Post
Unfortunately as someone that has owned the e63 in two version since 2005, I have to call this a fail. I owned the 645ci for 3+ years, and now the M6 for 3+ years, and this is uninspiring, and the front end looks way too much like the F01 for my liking. As BMWs target audience, they lost my sale. And just as big of a concern as the design fail, is the overall size increase and weight increase, the e63 M6 was already big, and perhaps bigger than necessary, but adding yet an additional 308lb to the coupe means that this is even a bigger porker than mine, so thats another move in the wrong direction.
Add in the engine fail, and you have the trifacta, fail all around BMW, thanks for killing my M6!
Hey, you may be right since you've actually owned one and driven one. In terms of overall experience, I think it's a no-brainer. As for performance? I look at it the way reviewers compared the F10 M5 to the E60. the E60 was special (V10) but the F10 is so much more sophisticated/refined and t the same time you don't lose all that performance. I'm sure the F12 will review to something similar.
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 05:09 PM   #24
flavush
Private First Class
flavush's Avatar
Switzerland
57
Rep
103
Posts

Drives: AW F31 335i xDrive
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Zurich

iTrader: (0)

lol gear knob remains the same
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 05:31 PM   #25
malter2.0
Banned
United_States
60
Rep
908
Posts

Drives: em-funf
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: SF Bay Area

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Power-to-weight ratio (DIN - kg/kw) 4.6 4.5
New car is obviously more appealing, BUT

-no difference in power to weight ratio and
-150kg more
-much worse throttle response
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 05:46 PM   #26
kgroschi
Captain
kgroschi's Avatar
Germany
622
Rep
959
Posts

Drives: 08' M5, '09 335i, '18 M3 MT
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Munich and Los Angeles (O.C.)

iTrader: (0)

Absolutely Agree

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike6699 View Post
Was never much of a fan of the previous gen. It's nice, just not my cup of tea. The new one is downright amazing though.
You are absolutely right!
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 05:47 PM   #27
Schm
Colonel
Schm's Avatar
United_States
164
Rep
2,731
Posts

Drives: e90 330i
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Missouri

iTrader: (3)

Very much like the newer one, never was a fan of the old. Still not a huge fan of the front headlights on the F12, but need to see it in person.

Yes the weight increase is disappointing, but the power/weight ratio is a bit better plus consumption is way down.
__________________
2006 E90 330i.
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 05:48 PM   #28
agentm
Private
agentm's Avatar
0
Rep
97
Posts

Drives: M3, X3
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Everywhere

iTrader: (0)

Day and night difference. The old one is ugly.
__________________
2004 M3 Silver Gray / CSL Header and Cats / RE El Diablo Exhaust / Hotchkis Swaybar / KW v2 / RD Sport Rims 19' / Falken FK-452 tires / Reinforcement Kit / Smoke Corner / 50% Tinted / Painted Shadow Grille / Umnitza Halo light / Hanman Lip / CF Diffusor / Autosolution SSK 30% / Aluminum Foot Pedals / AA Shift knob / AA Sport Fan Clutch / 3.91 Diff
Active Auto HKS Gen 6 Level 1.5 S/C
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 05:50 PM   #29
Imola.ZHP
Colonel
Imola.ZHP's Avatar
United_States
129
Rep
2,218
Posts

Drives: 2014 BMW i3 BEV EE
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mud Island, TN

iTrader: (0)

Bigger in every dimension and heavier...
__________________

- 2014 CPO i01 BEV Electronaut Edition Capparis White Tera World, '17-
- 2015 CPO i01 BEV Laurel Grey Tera World, '17-
- 2015 i01 REx Laurel Grey Tera World, '15-'17
- 2003 CPO 330i ZHP Imola Red Build 03/03/03, '06-'15
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 07:58 PM   #30
DiavelM3
4 Star General -Twilight Zone
DiavelM3's Avatar
United_States
36
Rep
1,032
Posts

Drives: '11 E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: 5280

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kgroschi View Post
You are absolutely right!
__________________
'12 Ducati Diavel
'06 E46 M3 (sold) | '97 325is - Dinan (sold)
'02 Z3 3.0 coupe (sold)
Past - '84 Ferrari 308 GTSI | '88 Ferrari 328 GTS | '05 Dodge Viper Copperhead Edition #180/300 | Audi S4
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 08:07 PM   #31
Sonnig
Private First Class
11
Rep
132
Posts

Drives: F20 118i Sport
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hong Kong

iTrader: (0)

The new ones brilliantly capture the spirit of the original. And still be able to evolve into the new BMW styling. I think once again, BMW did a great join in refreshing the 6er.
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 08:19 PM   #32
rbatyko
Enlisted Member
rbatyko's Avatar
United_States
4
Rep
34
Posts

Drives: 2013 BMW 135is
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Cleveland, Ohio

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2013 BMW 135is  [0.00]
The best is now better....

Never thought I'd prefer another 6er to the E63, but I really cannot get enough of the F12. Not crazy about the steering wheel design, but that's too minor to put me off. I love how it's agressive, yet still quite beautiful. This is close to DB9 brilliance. Great job guys.
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 09:03 PM   #33
ANILE8
Captain
ANILE8's Avatar
No_Country
179
Rep
698
Posts

Drives: Z4 M Coupé - Carbon Black
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: The Dark Web

iTrader: (0)

To me the old E60 series has the better engine and I don't mind the styling at all. If I was in the market for a new vehicle I would be chasing the best run-out deal I could get on one before they are all gone.

Sure, I am keen to see the new model in the showroom like everyone else.

Turbo engines do not impress me, even if more powerful. BMW could have raised the capacity of the S65 to keep development moving forward and still be way ahead of the competition for many years to come.

There are other performance car manufacturers that have not given into forced induction in the name of fuel economy and horsepower.
__________________
Nitron NTR R3 | StopTech Trophy Sport STR-60 380x32mm / StopTech Trophy Sport STR-40 355x32mm | Bridgestone RE-71RS | ADV.1 | CDV Delete | TMS Rear Camber Arms | RE Diablo's | 4.10 Gears | Euro Headers | RTD REVO1 Short Shifter
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 09:28 PM   #34
Alan l.
Major General
Alan l.'s Avatar
5341
Rep
8,773
Posts

Drives: 2020 F95 X5M Competition
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: United States

iTrader: (9)

The old M6 looks like a ugly duckling compared to this new one.

Never a fan of the old 6. I tried to like it (huge bmw fanatic) but it simply doesn't look like any other bmw ever made (bad thing imo)

This new one is beautiful

Alan
__________________
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 10:14 PM   #35
SoCali E36
BMW Client Advisor
SoCali E36's Avatar
United_States
999
Rep
3,525
Posts

Drives: X5 40e/e36 M3 Sedan
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Where the road takes me...

iTrader: (10)

I wish I had enough money to buy one of each and put the v10 into the new one.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 10:15 PM   #36
Remonster
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
821
Rep
1,583
Posts

Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: San Diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by m630 View Post
Unfortunately as someone that has owned the e63 in two version since 2005, I have to call this a fail. I owned the 645ci for 3+ years, and now the M6 for 3+ years, and this is uninspiring, and the front end looks way too much like the F01 for my liking. As BMWs target audience, they lost my sale. And just as big of a concern as the design fail, is the overall size increase and weight increase, the e63 M6 was already big, and perhaps bigger than necessary, but adding yet an additional 308lb to the coupe means that this is even a bigger porker than mine, so thats another move in the wrong direction.
Add in the engine fail, and you have the trifacta, fail all around BMW, thanks for killing my M6!
Fair enough, but I'm someone who drove an E63 M6 with SMG and walked away unimpressed. The E60 M5 remains to this day one of the most shockingly fun cars I have ever driven, but the M6 didn't impress me the same way especially since the convertible was so much heavier. For me, the new car looks infinitely better (I like the presence and overall style of the old one, but almost all of the styling details strike me as ugly. The new one is a grand slam in my book) and it has way more punch in the midrange so while BMW may have lost your sale, they have gained mine. In theory, anyways, I'm not going to be in the market.
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 10:48 PM   #37
Kayani_1
Lieutenant Colonel
Kayani_1's Avatar
United_States
81
Rep
1,656
Posts

Drives: BMW E92/E60
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Houston

iTrader: (1)

I like everything except the fact that the new one is heavier
__________________
nickname"BAD 3",MHD E85 tune,RennArt catback non-resonated exhaust,VRSF Downpipes, VRSF 7"FMIC,VRSF stock side inlets,SSQV BOV,ECS CP,M-performance alcantara steering,retrofit M3 paddle shifters,Alpina B3 tranny flash,AFE power seal CAI,LED angels,ST Coilovers,M3 upper/lower control arms,E93 M3 Front Swaybar ,235/35/19x9 ,275/30/19x9.5. M sport bumpers, CF diffuser. When in doubt..flat out.
Appreciate 0
      02-13-2012, 11:35 PM   #38
Forster
Private First Class
Forster's Avatar
United_States
14
Rep
167
Posts

Drives: X5M, S54 Mcoupe
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

The front end of the new is way more aggressive than the old.... Yet,
The rear of the old is more aggressive than the new... IMO.
All bimmers are getting bigger and heavier :/
Regardless, it's a beautiful new ///M!
__________________
11' BMW X5 M
01' BMW M Coupe
Appreciate 0
      02-14-2012, 07:19 AM   #39
m630
Major
m630's Avatar
953
Rep
1,011
Posts

Drives: '22 X4M Comp / ‘22 X3 / f136
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: nyc/li

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
‘22 X4MC  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Remonster View Post
Fair enough, but I'm someone who drove an E63 M6 with SMG and walked away unimpressed. The E60 M5 remains to this day one of the most shockingly fun cars I have ever driven, but the M6 didn't impress me the same way especially since the convertible was so much heavier. For me, the new car looks infinitely better (I like the presence and overall style of the old one, but almost all of the styling details strike me as ugly. The new one is a grand slam in my book) and it has way more punch in the midrange so while BMW may have lost your sale, they have gained mine. In theory, anyways, I'm not going to be in the market.
yes, many people who merely test drove an SMG and did not understand how it works have noted similar feelings, however, I can say with 100% certainty that if you enjoy shifting manually and having serious power under your control, you will love SMG. I would not choose any other transmission over it if it was up to me. But no point in going down that road, the tech has changed, and now there is the refinement that DCT has brought, and that is that. Its not at all as engaging as SMG, but since BMW has already given up to the edginess for the refinement, the DCT fits the new motto much better. Its unfortunate that you are using the cabrio as your benchmark though as that is not the car to test to get the full effect of the M6. It was an overweight from the beginning, nearly 400lbs or more than my coupe, which is significant and completely changes the cars dynamics.

Looks are ofcourse subjective, and unfortunately in my eyes this new car does not look engaging, and Im completely unimpressed with the direction its taken in this model as its move even further from its roots in the e24 to now a car thats so big and unrecongnizable.

So in reality, while many on this thread comment how much they love the looks, Im not sure if any of those that have commented are actually in the market for this type of car, but I am actually in the market right now and had been awaiting this redesign to make a decision on what comes next, and unfortunately for bmw and m, it will not be an M5 nor an M6, so bmw has lost my real sale, but have not picked up your imaginary one, and that is not a good business proposition for them.
__________________
'22 X4 ///M Competition…Carbon Black Metallic/Sakhir Orange...pure driving excitement!!! ‘22 X3 Jetblack + some other stuff not from Munich
Dearly departed...'19 X2 M35i
Past lives ‘16 M3…'13 640i GC...'13 335i...'08 M6 ...'05 645Ci...'00 323i...'85 735i...'77 630CSi...'86 325es ...'01 740iL...'09 X3
Appreciate 0
      02-14-2012, 08:08 AM   #40
T!m3
BMW maniac!
T!m3's Avatar
No_Country
368
Rep
873
Posts

Drives: ///M3 e92
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: EU

iTrader: (0)

The new m6 is amazing!!!
Appreciate 0
      02-14-2012, 08:40 AM   #41
DiavelM3
4 Star General -Twilight Zone
DiavelM3's Avatar
United_States
36
Rep
1,032
Posts

Drives: '11 E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: 5280

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayani_1 View Post
I like everything except the fact that the new one is heavier
Unless you plan on tracking the car, why does this matter? Some people have mentioned that it is heavier but MOST of these people have probably never done a track day... And some of those will probably never see one with this car (even if they do get one)..
It also has more hp than the previous Gen. M6 so, it's carrying the added weight with the added hp...
Also, with the tuning that was done on the M5 recently, 620hp isn't too far off, at minimal $$$
__________________
'12 Ducati Diavel
'06 E46 M3 (sold) | '97 325is - Dinan (sold)
'02 Z3 3.0 coupe (sold)
Past - '84 Ferrari 308 GTSI | '88 Ferrari 328 GTS | '05 Dodge Viper Copperhead Edition #180/300 | Audi S4
Appreciate 0
      02-14-2012, 08:56 AM   #42
phrozen06
Lieutenant Colonel
phrozen06's Avatar
229
Rep
1,773
Posts

Drives: 328it, RIP M3, E46 Sold
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 39°27'33"N 77°58'04"W W. Virgina, Kansas

iTrader: (2)

I luv both.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      02-14-2012, 09:41 AM   #43
SlammedR8
Major General
SlammedR8's Avatar
Canada
518
Rep
5,483
Posts

Drives: 2019 X5 40i/2020 R8 V10 Spyder
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by m630 View Post
yes, many people who merely test drove an SMG and did not understand how it works have noted similar feelings, however, I can say with 100% certainty that if you enjoy shifting manually and having serious power under your control, you will love SMG. I would not choose any other transmission over it if it was up to me. But no point in going down that road, the tech has changed, and now there is the refinement that DCT has brought, and that is that. Its not at all as engaging as SMG, but since BMW has already given up to the edginess for the refinement, the DCT fits the new motto much better. Its unfortunate that you are using the cabrio as your benchmark though as that is not the car to test to get the full effect of the M6. It was an overweight from the beginning, nearly 400lbs or more than my coupe, which is significant and completely changes the cars dynamics.

Looks are ofcourse subjective, and unfortunately in my eyes this new car does not look engaging, and Im completely unimpressed with the direction its taken in this model as its move even further from its roots in the e24 to now a car thats so big and unrecongnizable.

So in reality, while many on this thread comment how much they love the looks, Im not sure if any of those that have commented are actually in the market for this type of car, but I am actually in the market right now and had been awaiting this redesign to make a decision on what comes next, and unfortunately for bmw and m, it will not be an M5 nor an M6, so bmw has lost my real sale, but have not picked up your imaginary one, and that is not a good business proposition for them.
You seem to really like your E63 M6...so why not keep it and enjoy it?

I for one am also in the market, and I have been waiting to see the F12 M6 and I have fallen in love. Look at my signature, I used to own a 2008 M6 just like you. But I NEVER loved the look, I loved the power and the sound and I obviously liked the car in order to buy it. But I dont think there is a comparision between the looks here, but thats all personal preference anyways!
__________________
Current:
2019 BMW X5 40i - Carbon Black/Tartufo Individual Leather
2020 Range Rover HSE - Black/Black
2020 Audi R8 V10 Performance Spyder 6MT - Ascari Blue/Black
Appreciate 0
      02-14-2012, 10:37 AM   #44
dmist199
Banned
United_States
5
Rep
184
Posts

Drives: 2005 E46 M3, 16 X5
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

the old m6 looks sad compare to the new one. New M6 all the way!
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:25 PM.




6post.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST