official 2011-2012 NBA season thread!!!!

[ejazbmw]

you still think wade shouldn't take the last shot? also i maybe wrong where he is ranked i was going off what they said on nbatv and what they said. i didn't go searching in the nba archives like you did lol

[import36]

to shift the topics a lil bit.....carmelo's return has really f*cked up the dynamics the Knicks had going for them while he was injured. Lin was actually running the point, agressively, before his return. the bench was coming in and stepping up...playing unselfish inspired basketball. now with Melo back in....it seems everyone else is afraid to shoot now...just pass the ball to Melo. Shumpert definitely needs more playing time...i think he could give them a boost. just my opinion of course...

[JohnSprm69]

yeah, the knicks where only talked about for those two weeks lin was running the show, carmelo came back and boom they went to shit again.

[ejazbmw]

Its not melo's fault its your stupid coach's fault. First of all, he's not a defensive mind set coach he only know's offense. Second he only knows one system and thats what he used in Phenix and he's to ignorant to come up with a new system that will work with the players he has right now. Did you guys watch the 6er's game? it was pure 48 mins of no defense. You can tell you're players to play D all you want but if you don't apply it during practice or every game how the hell are they going to apply good D during a game where they need it the most ?

Also Lin's run is over, he doesn't understand how to play with a good defensive team on him. His streak only lasted with crappy ass teams besides the Mav's. Once you play him one on one he throws the ball
away.

BTW my team are the 6ers

[JohnSprm69]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

Also Lin's run is over, he doesn't understand how to play with a good defensive team on him. His streak only lasted with crappy ass teams besides the Mav's. Once you play him one on one he throws the ball
away.

so true

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

BTW my team are the 6ers

sorry to hear .... j/k

[ejazbmw]

hey we gave the heat a run for their money in the playoff last year! lol its all good I'm a lebron fan so i wasn't too mad.

[JohnSprm69]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

hey we gave the heat a run for their money in the playoff last year! lol its all good I'm a lebron fan so i wasn't too mad.

you from ny and not a knicks fan???

[ejazbmw]

i hate the knicks and i hate knick fans because MOST of them don't know anything about basketball ...........there i said it lol i take it you're a heat fan? being that you're from Miami

[JohnSprm69]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

i hate the knicks and i hate knick fans because MOST of them don't know anything about basketball ...........there i said it lol i take it you're a heat fan? being that you're from Miami

yeah, heat fan right here for sure.

[ejazbmw]

you, and bulls fans have the only right to talk trash then lol

[#Tee]

in for friendly team banter :P

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by import36

to shift the topics a lil bit.....carmelo's return has really f*cked up the dynamics the Knicks had going for them while he was injured. Lin was actually running the point, agressively, before his return. the bench was coming in and stepping up...playing unselfish inspired basketball. now with Melo back in....it seems everyone else is afraid to shoot now...just pass the ball to Melo. Shumpert definitely needs more playing time...i think he could give them a boost. just my opinion of course...

I so called this

[JohnSprm69]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

you, and bulls fans have the only right to talk trash then lol

dude and i hate the bulls with a passion... why????? cause the fuckers are goooooood.

[ChineseGuy]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

Also Lin's run is over, he doesn't understand how to play with a good defensive team on him. His streak only lasted with crappy ass teams besides the Mav's. Once you play him one on one he throws the ball
away.

I agree with every point except for this one. His turnovers are due to traps, and sometimes just poor ball handling. It's weird because his dribbles seems so wobbly but he sometimes still have control of the ball. It seems like he's losing it, but he manages to take it to the hoop.

But back to topic, I've watched almost all his games, at least since the streak. I agree that D'antoni sucks, and I think that's the reason why Lin's not able to lift the Knicks up. Lin's offense is actually legit. They lose mainly because of poor defense.

One reason Lin's not reacting too well to traps is because he's constantly looking for open shooters. And we have to give credit to those coaches are draw out nice traps, too. Lin just attracted too much attention during the streak.

[ejazbmw]

Originally Posted by Swoosh69

dude and i hate the bulls with a passion... why????? cause the fuckers are goooooood.

lol also because there you're only real competition in the east

Originally Posted by ChineseGuy

I agree with every point except for this one. His turnovers are due to traps, and sometimes just poor ball handling. It's weird because his dribbles seems so wobbly but he sometimes still have control of the ball. It seems like he's losing it, but he manages to take it to the hoop.

But back to topic, I've watched almost all his games, at least since the streak. I agree that D'antoni sucks, and I think that's the reason why Lin's not able to lift the Knicks up. Lin's offense is actually legit. They lose mainly because of poor defense.

One reason Lin's not reacting too well to traps is because he's constantly looking for open shooters. And we have to give credit to those coaches are draw out nice traps, too. Lin just attracted too much attention during the streak.

well thats my point he doesn't know how to handle a good defensive team. its not him thats playing bad its the other team that forces him to play bad, big difference. He shouldn't be a starter, not yet at least he needs to learn more before you put the kid into hard situations like the heat or the bulls which raped him tonight.

[ChineseGuy]

^^

He was raped tonight? I did not see that. I actually saw him doing pretty well against the best PG in the league today. If you put Steve Nash against a superb defensive team, he will also struggle, because he's not those Rose type of PG that can blow past you at will. There's really no one else to be PG if Lin doesn't start. Baron Davis is too inconsistent and doesn't have the vision Lin has. Baron Davis doesn't really belong in the Knicks IMO.
The Knicks lost purely because of poor defense. They held up at the first 3 quarters because of good offensive. Lin's PPG drop so much because Melo is here and he wants the ball. I don't think Lin played worse compared to his games during the streak. He just chose to give up the ball earlier (which also explains his lowered TO).

[Inspired]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

you still think wade shouldn't take the last shot? also i maybe wrong where he is ranked i was going off what they said on nbatv and what they said. i didn't go searching in the nba archives like you did lol

I still want the a pure shooter shooting the ball with the game on the line. No way I will trust Lebron or Wade on a consistent basis to make a mid range jumper or three pointer. The Heat have Mike Miller and Mario Chalmer for these situations. Mike Miller leads the league in three point percentage while Chalmers is in the top 10 three point field goal made.

I think you got hearing issues.. How could NBATV get 2 facts wrong? Playing 12 games and rank #6 in scoring?

It is called.... doing your research.. before you pull some random numbers out of your ass...

[import36]

Originally Posted by ejazbmw

Its not melo's fault its your stupid coach's fault. First of all, he's not a defensive mind set coach he only know's offense. Second he only knows one system and thats what he used in Phenix and he's to ignorant to come up with a new system that will work with the players he has right now. Did you guys watch the 6er's game? it was pure 48 mins of no defense. You can tell you're players to play D all you want but if you don't apply it during practice or every game how the hell are they going to apply good D during a game where they need it the most ?

Also Lin's run is over, he doesn't understand how to play with a good defensive team on him. His streak only lasted with crappy ass teams besides the Mav's. Once you play him one on one he throws the ball
away.

BTW my team are the 6ers

Knicks aren't my team....i don't really have a team to be honest...i just like watching the great players. if i had to pick a team i'd like to see pull all the way through it'd be the Bulls. i'm a huge Rose fan...and have actually been a Bulls fan since i was a kid.<grew up in the Michael Jordan era>

[ejazbmw]

Originally Posted by ChineseGuy

^^

He was raped tonight? I did not see that. I actually saw him doing pretty well against the best PG in the league today. If you put Steve Nash against a superb defensive team, he will also struggle, because he's not those Rose type of PG that can blow past you at will. There's really no one else to be PG if Lin doesn't start. Baron Davis is too inconsistent and doesn't have the vision Lin has. Baron Davis doesn't really belong in the Knicks IMO.
The Knicks lost purely because of poor defense. They held up at the first 3 quarters because of good offensive. Lin's PPG drop so much because Melo is here and he wants the ball. I don't think Lin played worse compared to his games during the streak. He just chose to give up the ball earlier (which also explains his lowered TO).

apparently you weren't watching the same game because that's the hardest defenses the knicks ever played all season. it was a close game mainly because the knicks defense was good. They lost because D rose well.......went D rose on their asses.

Originally Posted by twinturbo335

I still want the a pure shooter shooting the ball with the game on the line. No way I will trust Lebron or Wade on a consistent basis to make a mid range jumper or three pointer. The Heat have Mike Miller and Mario Chalmer for these situations. Mike Miller leads the league in three point percentage while Chalmers is in the top 10 three point field goal made.

I think you got hearing issues.. How could NBATV get 2 facts wrong? Playing 12 games and rank #6 in scoring?

It is called.... doing your research.. before you pull some random numbers out of your ass...

I'm done arguing with you because you only see basketball by the numbers a player puts up, its more then that my friend.

[ChineseGuy]

^^

We were watching the same game. No matter how hard they play their defense, they still suck at defense. It's their system; they don't have any system. Their main defense consists of Chandler doing ALL the work, plus a few of the guys going for steals here and there. Bulls had quite a bit of open shots, but they just didn't fall. Korver shot a million times, but Knicks were so lucky none of them fall.

Here's why Knick's defense dropped so much on the 4th quarter: Chandler and Stoudamire is dead tired. It takes a lot of energy physically and mentally to play defense during crunch times. It's a lot more effective when you have an actual system to rely on. D'antoni has no defense system, so he relies on the players to run around and be on Code Red the whole game. I don't think it's the players' fault that they collapse at the last quarter. The bulls were just more organized, even with their sub par offense.

[sensi09]

The chants of "overrated" while Lin shot free throws made me chuckle.

[ejazbmw]

lol yeah i laughed at that too....but he is, the kid is average at best knick fans made him seem to be some kinda savior. I love the heat for showing Lin's true colors which are.... he sucks