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So I am clear.... Do you recommend running 100 octane on a stock engine to improve performance? Do you not recommend it on a tune because it covers up potential issues? Sorry, I want more power, but certainly don't want to put the engine at risk. Probably asking for too much Thanks, Ben
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Completely agree. we all love power and that's why we got this beast but I do not want to push the limits. This engine is really perfect but pushing the limit and putting lots of stress on it, will reduce it's life time. I had the same discussion about launch control and I do not want to abuse the car. BMW recommend 95 and no less than 91.
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If you wouldn't mind, I would like to ask some questions. I sent you a pm. I really appreciate the help. It's what I like so much about the E63 board. Ben.
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So while the guy in the UK can say he is putting 95 in his tank that doesn't mean he is putting better fuel in than you because he is putting in 95 RON which can be 5 points higher depending on the MON test of that fuel. The RON and MON doesn't care HOW you increase octane. Obviously in fuel you have cleaners, detergents, anti water crap and whatever so they all use additives but these are all figured into the octane number otherwise it wouldn't come out to the RON and MON because those numbers are TEST figures on the anti-knock from standardized engine at certain RPM |
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I'm talking about pump 100 which is I'm sure LSM was using.
'Race fuel' from the barrel and can like 110 and 114 etc are different because gravity and weight are different, but octane by definition in the us is AKI which is the ability to resist knock and tested on a standardized motor. Had stations only have 2 petrol tanks regular and premium usually 91 and 87, the midgrade 89 pulls from both tanks mixing 87 and 91. Because we use a standardized octane rating calculation you can mix and do the math |
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As far as MATH and science for that matter is concerned, LSM is correct in how he is fueling his car to get a 93+ octane |
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Have you read about the single cylinder test engine used in the MON test? It just doesn't relate to modern power plants. As far as proof… I try to avoid the word proof with respect to this type of discussion. There is, however, a wealth of evidence in the supercharged american V8 forums. Guys previously running purple or blue have been able to run the same timing on URT and make MORE power. URT is an amazing fuel. |
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This is exactly what I was trying to accomplish...Last night I put in 5 gallons of 100 octane and 10 gallons of 91....So that equals 94 octane when mixed....IS that correct or not, again I'm using 100 octane pump gas and the highest premium we have in cali which is 91 mixing them to attain 93-95 octane
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Your mix should give you about 94 octane which is above the 93 you are shooting for to run the increase in boost. With cooler temperatures this wont matter much, but in hotter months you probably may want to make sure you do this mix. In Vegas 100 is $5 a gallon I think, not too bad if your mixing. |
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Fullerton Mark's 76 2043 W Commonwealth Ave. (cross of Gilbert) Between Magnolia and Brookhurst, north of I-5 and 91 Fwy. (714) 278-0986 Open 24 hours 100 octane unleaded at the pump @ 6.99 (4/18/2007) Bellflower Bellflower 76 Service 16719 Lakewood Blvd. Bellflower (562) 633-9176 100 octane in barrels @ 10.00 a gallon (4/18/2007) 110 octane LEADED in barrels @ 10.00 a gallon (4/18/2007) Huntington Beach Huntington Beach Car Wash 18971 Beach Blvd near Garfield Ave. (714) 847-4924 Hours: 8 AM - 5 PM, 7 days a week. 100 octane VP Racing at the pump @ 5.89 (4/18/2007) Pump is padlocked because that pump doesn't have an ATM reader. You'll need to pay inside. Indio Clark's Travel Center 82-253 Indio Blvd. (Exit Indio Blvd off I-10) (760) 342-4776 http://www.clarkstravelcenter.com/ Sunoco 100 unleaded at the pump @ 6.19 a gallon (4/18/2007) Sunoco 110 leaded racing fuel at the pump @ 5.99 a gallon (4/18/2007) Open 24 hours Laguna Hills 76 Station 25172 Cabot Rd. (near La Paz) (949) 770-8300 101 octane unleaded at the pump @ 8.99 a gallon (4/18/2007) Los Angeles Rio Petroleum 76 11675 W. Pico Blvd. (cross of Barrington) (310) 477-6144 100 octane unleaded VP fuel at the pump @ 8.49 a gallon (4/18/2007) Los Angeles Brentwood 76 12037 San Vicente Blvd. (cross of Bundy) (310) 476-4818 100 octane unleaded fuel at the pump @ 7.89 a gallon (4/18/2007) Newport Beach Newport Hills 76 2690 San Miguel Rd. (949) 644-7151 Hours: 6 AM - 10 PM, 7 AM - 10 PM on Sundays. 100 octane unleaded fuel at the pump @ 7.99 a gallon (4/18/2007) Norco Mark's 76 2807 Hamner Ave. (1/2 mile north of Second St. exit from I-15) (951) 278-2330 Hours: 5:30 AM to 10:30 PM 100 octane unleaded at the pump @ 6.97 a gallon (4/18/2007) Orange Mitchell's Auto, " The Pit Stop " 700 Chapman Ave. (714) 532-5900 100 octane unleaded at the pump @ 7.35 a gallon (4/18/2007) 110 octane leaded at the pump @ 7.05 a gallon (4/18/2007) Pasadena Arroyo Parkway 76 155 E. Glenarm St. (626) 441-3392 South of California Blvd. between Fair Oaks and Los Robles where the 110 Fwy ends Hours: 6:00 AM to 10:00 PM 100 octane unleaded at pump @ 6.49 a gallon (4/18/2007) Pomona Phillips Ranch 76 16 Village Loop Rd. (909) 623-2429 Hours: 5:30 AM to 9:00 PM 100 octane unleaded at pump @ 7.49 a gallon (4/18/2007) Rancho Santa Fe (near Encinitas off I-5) VP Racing fuels 6089 La Flecha 858-756-2929 VP racing fuel 100 octane at the pump @ 6.99 a gallon (4/18/2007) San Marino Huntington 76 2390 Huntington Drive (626) 286-6030 100 octane unleaded at pump (unconfirmed) (4/18/2007) West Covina South Hills 76 150 S. Citrus Ave. (626) 339-8018 100 octane unleaded at pump @ 6.95 a gallon (4/18/2007) Rosamond (unconfirmed) Willow Springs Race Way (road track) http://www.willowspringsraceway.com/home/home.asp $10 gate fee during weekend events. Bakersfield (unconfirmed) Buttonwillow Raceway (road track) http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com/ (located 28 miles northwest of Bakersfield off I-5) $10 gate fee during weekend events. Downey Socal Performance 9723 Washburn Road. Downey, CA 90241 (562) 862-9122 Open Mon-Fri; Saturday mornings (Call) Lowest grade they carry is 108 Octane @ 6.75 per gallon. (4/18/2007) 114 oct @ 7.50 per gallon (4/18/2007) 121 oct @ 8.00 per gallon (4/18/2007) Socal Performance *Updated 6/21/06 9723 Washburn Road () Downey, CA 90241 (562) 862-9122 Open Mon-Fri 8:30AM-5PM; Saturday mornings (Call) Lowest grade they carry is Leaded 108 Octane @ 5.50 per gallon. (Awesome price!). You provide your own container or buy their 5 gal container for $22.10. They also carry Methanol: 2.50 per gallon (you provide container) 38.00 per 5 gallon container. Orme Brothers Inc. *Updated 5/3/06 18453 Parthenia Pl. () Northridge, CA 91325 (877) 676-3277 (877-ORMEBRS) 103 Octane @ $47.50 per 5 gallon sealed containers They also carry Methanol: $35.00 per 5 gallon sealed containers Manning Fuel Inc. (Verified 5/4/06) 8407 Tujunga Ave () Sun Valley, Ca 91352 (818) 767-FUEL 8AM-5PM Mon-Fri; Closed Sat. Octane Levels of 103 thru 117 5 Gallon Jugs from $25.00 - 52.57 30 Gallon Barrel from $207-270 55 Gallon Barrel from $340-518 Methanol: 5 gal can 25.45 30 gal drum 124.20 55 gal drum 189.38 Laguna Express Car Wash - *Thanks boataholic 25172 CABOT RD Laguna Hills, CA 92653 Confirmed 100 Octane Pump Gas $7.99 on 1/1/07 () Blue Star Gas & Mart *Updated 4/24/07 - () 2155 S. Euclid Ave.() Ontario, CA North Euclid off the 60FWY @ E. Philadelphia St. (909) 395-9389 100 Octane = $6.99 VP Racing Fuels *Updated 4/24/07 - () 34281 Monte Vista Rd.() Wildomar, CA Between Bundy Canyon and Baxter Rd. off the 15 FWY. (951) 674-9167 100 Octane = $6.99 Agoura 76 28203 Dorothy Dr. () Agoura Hills (818) 991-6241 Bellflower 76 Service 16719 Lakewood Blvd. () Bellflower, CA (562) 633-9176 (Verified, 100+ Octane but not pump. Sold in 5gal ($8/per gallon 'fill your own container'-$50.00/per 5 gallon pail if you don't bring your own container & 55gal barrel/$440.00) updated 4/11/06. Downs Oil Co. (Verified as of 6/28/05) 1296 Magnolia () Corona, CA 92879 (909) 737-3421 or 888-910-3835 -Sunoco 110 Leaded Racing Gas - $3.50 a gallon -Sunoco 122 Leaded Racing Gas - $4.50 a gallon -Sunoco Methyl Alcohol - $3.00 a gallon http://www.downs4fuel.com/dcfracing.htm Huntington Beach Car Wash 18971 Beach Blvd. () Huntington Bch. (714) 847-4924 (Verified $5.89 100 Octane Pump) Mark's 76 (714) 278-0986 2043 W Commonwealth Ave. (cross street Gilbert) () Fullerton, CA 92833 (Verified $7.69 100 Octane Pump) * Price updated 1/11/08 Mitchell's Auto, The Pit Stop 700 Chapman Ave. Orange, CA (714) 532-5900 100 Oct unleaded and 110 Oct leaded @ the pump () Huntington 76 2390 Huntington Drive San Marino, CA (626) 286-6030 100 Oct unleaded @ the pump () J & R Shell 1808 White Ave. La Verne, CA (909) 593-7015 Brentwood 76 Service 12037 San Vicente Blvd. (cross street Bundy) () Los Angeles,CA (310) 476-4818 (Verified $6.45 100 Octane Pump) Graham 76 Service 2690 San Miguel Rd. () (405 to 73 New Port to Mac Aurthur Left Anita, Right Prarie in Pavillion Shopping Center) Newport Bch., CA (949) 644-7151 (Verified $5.49 100 Octane Pump as of 3-1-06) Mike's 76 Station (Verified) 100- Octane 5.99/gallon 2807 Hamner Ave - (951) 278-2330 F&L Racing Fuel 111 Lead Octane corner of Engineer road and La Mirada Vista California $5.06 gallon Southern Counties Oil * 1825 W. Collins Orange, CA (714) 744-7140 Smokey's Auto Parts Speed (Verified) 1602 S Coast Hwy () Oceanside, CA 92054 Sunoco 100 Octane Arroyo Parkway 76 End of freeway 110 155 E. Glenarm () Pasadena, CA (626) 441-3392 (Verified was $5.99 100 Octane Pump NOW $6.19 as of 4-11-06; $6.49 per gallon as of 3-5-07) Phillips Ranch 76 16 Village Loop Rd. () Pomona, CA (909) 623-2429 (Verified $5.35 100 Octane Pump) S.T. Motorsports (Verified ) 346 S. I Street Unit #8 San Bernardino CA 92410 (909)388-2536 Cosby Oil Co. (Verified 1/1/07) 6220 Fairmount Ave. San Diego, CA (619) 280-6884 Cardlock gas station-you can only get gas if you have a credit account with them. They carry various racing gas. () JBA Racing · VP Race Fuel 5155 Convoy Street San Diego, CA 92111 Local: (858) 495-3395 Toll Free: (888) JBA-5570 Fax: (858) 495-0954 SKS (Verified) 1730 W. Mission Rd. () Escondido, CA 92029 (858)530-1193; 714-533-1379; 1-800-564-0744 F & L 110 Leaded Octane Pump @ $6.08 *Verified 3-5-07 Cosby Oil Co. (Verified) 12902 E. Park St. () Santa Fe Springs, CA (562) 946-4404 www.cosbyoil.com (6.53/per gallon if you provide your own container ($32.65/5gal your own container)) (8.03/per gallon if you buy their 5 gallon pail ($40.15/5gal pail)) (6.93 per gallon/55 gallon drums ($381.15/55gal)) They will drop ship the 55 gal drums and credit you 20.00 when drums are empty and they come pick it up.) updated 4/11/06. 76 - 100 octane (verified) Pico & Barrington () Santa Monica, Ca $9.45/gal 100 octane Alliance Gas Station Sherman Mini Market Verified (4-19-06) 16103 Sherman Way, () Van Nuys, CA 91406 (818) 780-8209 Closes at 10PM! Playa Vista 76 8300 Lincoln Blvd () Westchester, CA (310) 649-4683 (Verified $8.75 105 Octane; $7.50 111 Leaded; $9.25 Leaded 118) Santa Ana Speed Center 120 S. Broadway St. () Westchester, CA (714) 835-6424 (Verified $36.50 5gal/100 Octane; $46.85 5gal/105 Octane; $41.80 5gal/118 Octane) No pump/Only 5 Gal F&L tanks. Kahn 76 Service 150 S. 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Hey LSM, did you ever connect your BMS box to the laptop?
How much PSI do you have? +2.25 or +2.5?
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Normally it's +2.25
Mine was set to 2.5 (Terry changed it for me). Today I plugged in my laptop to bms (took 1 min) and changed the number from 3 back to 2.5 for my octane level.
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Let's make it public, maybe it will help others too.
How to change PSI level in BMS 1) First of all you need a cable http://www.burgertuning.com/USB_Cable_Extension.html 2) You will need a windows laptop (doesn't matter if it's windows xp, vista, 7 etc.) 3) Then go ahead and download JB3 software right here http://burgertuning.com/jb3_interface_062312.zip My BMS box was placed here, the plastic cover is really easy to lift by hand (no tools needed) When you find the BMS box, connect it to pc after you connect your BMS box to your PC, hit the start engine button once, in your beautiful m6. Now, go to your laptop; first click on usb_drivers.exe; Wait until it's done, then click on setup.exe After clicking on setup.exe, go to settings, here you will need to set the right Com Port number. To find it out, right click on "my computer" then "device manager" then click on the little arrow beside "ports". if it says COM4 you write port 4 in settings, if it says PORT1 you write port 1 in settings etc. When you done with ports, everything is connected and good to go, click on File/Connect Now go to user adjustment. And change "boost over stock" from 2.25 to 2.5, then click Save. Don't change other values! You're done! Now you have to disconnect properly. Click on file/disconnect. Turn off your car by clicking on "start/stop engine". Disconnect your PC and everything, put the BMS box back, and that's it. Go for a test drive to make sure everything is good.
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