M6 CP 575 vs M6 CP 600, What's wrong with You BMW?

[wujekwaldus]

In deeply high end of the internet I have finally found some performance data of M6 Coupe Competition 600 and I'm bit dissapointed!



According to very famous old test M6 CP vs GTR vs R8 vs Turbo S:
http://bryler.net/M6/2013-11-09_12-18-29_185_M.jpg

The M6 CP 600 is SLOWER than M6 CP 575.
0-100: same
100-200: 7.7 vs 7.3
100-250: 14.9 vs 13.5
100-300: 31.2 vs 26.5 (almost 5 sec!)

I don't know why it's happening maybe BMW afraid of VW affair in USA and Euro6 reduced the power? Look at the torque curve, it isn't flat but it's going down... like in 335d

[vladberca]

The most accurate data can be interpreted measuring the performances of the cars in the same day, with the same driver, same dyno etc...
Otherwise we might see a lot of BS.
Even if we can see different results we have to take into account that for RWD cars the launch can be very tricky and the driver has an important role in establishing the final result!

[M6-Coupe]

I already discussed on post#14 here
http://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1217559

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by vladberca

The most accurate data can be interpreted measuring the performances of the cars in the same day, with the same driver, same dyno etc...
Otherwise we might see a lot of BS.
Even if we can see different results we have to take into account that for RWD cars the launch can be very tricky and the driver has an important role in establishing the final result!

Well, that's the thing with BMW's CP packages. Like I said in another thread, 600HP CP basically has no obvious improvement over the standard CP like the RS7 performance over the standard RS7. What we see are some CP faster than 600HP CP version, standard as fast as the CP (maybe have "press" tune I don't know), the numbers are all over the place.


Yeah you can say different driver, different day, and whatnot, but it doesn't hide the fact that they mostly have similar performances in terms of acceleration.

CP's handling upgrade does show improvement over the standard, which is why it is still worth getting.

[N.S.A]

Do you guys think the alpine white and Austin yellow M6 competition edition will hold their value or appreciate like a Jahre 30 M5?

[M6Pilot]

Originally Posted by N.S.A

Do you guys think the alpine white and Austin yellow M6 competition edition will hold their value or appreciate like a Jahre 30 M5?

No! it will not! 30 Jahre is a Meaningful Edition. M6 is a not so special Competition Edition. I think and maybe some others do as well, They already have the Competition Edition when they got the competition package without the lettering and think BMW believes its customers to be idiots, which they are not! Unless, they buy this car with extra $20,000-$30,000 in lettering. If the Competition Edition had 700 HP along with it, That would have been a true special edition then.

[2007 to 2016 M6 Cab]

Originally Posted by M6Pilot

No! it will not! 30 Jahre is a Meaningful Edition. M6 is a not so special Competition Edition. I think and maybe some others do as well, They already have the Competition Edition when they got the competition package without the lettering and think BMW believes its customers to be idiots, which they are not! Unless, they buy this car with extra $20,000-$30,000 in lettering. If the Competition Edition had 700 HP along with it, That would have been a true special edition then.

I agree! Glad to see someone else as vocal as I

[N.S.A]

Originally Posted by M6Pilot

No! it will not! 30 Jahre is a Meaningful Edition. M6 is a not so special Competition Edition. I think and maybe some others do as well, They already have the Competition Edition when they got the competition package without the lettering and think BMW believes its customers to be idiots, which they are not! Unless, they buy this car with extra $20,000-$30,000 in lettering. If the Competition Edition had 700 HP along with it, That would have been a true special edition then.

I see good to know. This has all the other extras on it and the fact it's a special color and has the parts on it and same power as the jahre m5 thought it would be.

[M6Pilot]

To me a special edition car with increasing value would be one that would have to have quality attributes such as the last/first or anniversary editions of a particular model that has standout features only available on that car at the time of production or some other combination of exclusive quality features not readily available. the 30 jahre qualified having anniversary, first model to 600 hp and the most expensive paint available made it special. M6 doesn't qualify, austin yellow(nice color) made popular on M4, 600 hp figure readily available on other M6/M5's and not a first/last or anniversary model and to be a true limited production you can't just put decals and stickers on a few hundred of the several thousand same vehicles and call it such.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by M6Pilot

No! it will not! 30 Jahre is a Meaningful Edition. M6 is a not so special Competition Edition. I think and maybe some others do as well, They already have the Competition Edition when they got the competition package without the lettering and think BMW believes its customers to be idiots, which they are not! Unless, they buy this car with extra $20,000-$30,000 in lettering. If the Competition Edition had 700 HP along with it, That would have been a true special edition then.

Well I don't know if you have seen the car in person, but I did. Not trying to back BMW up, but they have installed lots of things including M performance exhaust, CF spoiler, CF mirror cap, CF rear diffuser and etc. In fact it's fully loaded car. You can try building the car online and check all the boxes including individual interior. You will end up to 146k. Now adding the M performance exhaust add tips plus those extra CF and tinted windows you will be right at north of 160k. Extra 2-3 k for the name and limited production will make it 167k!
Does it hold the value? of course not but BMW is not fooling the customer. BMW is charging the customer because of packages and an extra charge because of the name of "Competition Edition"

[M6Pilot]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well I don't know if you have seen the car in person, but I did. Not trying to back BMW up, but they have installed lots of things including M performance exhaust, CF spoiler, CF mirror cap, CF rear diffuser and etc. In fact it's fully loaded car. You can try building the car online and check all the boxes including individual interior. You will end up to 146k. Now adding the M performance exhaust add tips plus those extra CF and tinted windows you will be right at north of 160k. Extra 2-3 k for the name and limited production will make it 167k!
Does it hold the value? of course not but BMW is not fooling the customer. BMW is charging the customer because of packages and an extra charge because of the name of "Competition Edition"

All good points! and I did know of the extras mentioned (severely overpriced) and I did not take those into account and I have not seen the Competition Edition in person I'm sure it is stunning based on my own M6 GP CP which is also a beautiful car, but in my own opinion most of those mods should be included on the regular M6 without the price hike and being in the market price this car is in

[N.S.A]

Originally Posted by M6Pilot

To me a special edition car with increasing value would be one that would have to have quality attributes such as the last/first or anniversary editions of a particular model that has standout features only available on that car at the time of production or some other combination of exclusive quality features not readily available. the 30 jahre qualified having anniversary, first model to 600 hp and the most expensive paint available made it special. M6 doesn't qualify, austin yellow(nice color) made popular on M4, 600 hp figure readily available on other M6/M5's and not a first/last or anniversary model and to be a true limited production you can't just put decals and stickers on a few hundred of the several thousand same vehicles and call it such.

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well I don't know if you have seen the car in person, but I did. Not trying to back BMW up, but they have installed lots of things including M performance exhaust, CF spoiler, CF mirror cap, CF rear diffuser and etc. In fact it's fully loaded car. You can try building the car online and check all the boxes including individual interior. You will end up to 146k. Now adding the M performance exhaust add tips plus those extra CF and tinted windows you will be right at north of 160k. Extra 2-3 k for the name and limited production will make it 167k!
Does it hold the value? of course not but BMW is not fooling the customer. BMW is charging the customer because of packages and an extra charge because of the name of "Competition Edition"

Well said +1, I did the same calculation, not to mention a performance center experience m driving school comes with the car makes it that much more special. To me this is just like the Limerock Park Edition M3 same power as a standard m3 but for the people that think this car will not hold value, there is limerocks still selling between $60k to $80K. Which shows this car will hold its value most likely like the m3 lime rock park edition.

[M6Pilot]

Originally Posted by N.S.A

Well said +1, I did the same calculation, not to mention a performance center experience m driving school comes with the car makes it that much more special. To me this is just like the Limerock Park Edition M3 same power as a standard m3 but for the people that think this car will not hold value, there is limerocks still selling between $60k to $80K. Which shows this car will hold its value most likely like the m3 lime rock park edition.

Look! I'm not saying this is not a really good car! It very much is, your original question was will it appreciate in value like the M5 30 Jahre and I said No! If you want to compare it to the Limerock Park M3 thats fine.

[N.S.A]

Originally Posted by M6Pilot

Look! I'm not saying this is not a really good car! It very much is, your original question was will it appreciate in value like the M5 30 Jahre and I said No! If you want to compare it to the Limerock Park M3 thats fine.

Yes I understood that, that's why when you said it would not keep value with the m5 jahre edition I agreed and said then it's more like the m3 limerock because it has the same specs and power just a special color and m performance parts. Not trying to be rude with you at all

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well I don't know if you have seen the car in person, but I did. Not trying to back BMW up, but they have installed lots of things including M performance exhaust, CF spoiler, CF mirror cap, CF rear diffuser and etc. In fact it's fully loaded car. You can try building the car online and check all the boxes including individual interior. You will end up to 146k. Now adding the M performance exhaust add tips plus those extra CF and tinted windows you will be right at north of 160k. Extra 2-3 k for the name and limited production will make it 167k!
Does it hold the value? of course not but BMW is not fooling the customer. BMW is charging the customer because of packages and an extra charge because of the name of "Competition Edition"

Did you see the Austin Yellow or the White one? How does it look in person with those stickers (if you saw the white)? You know me, I'm all about wasting money and swapping cars so this one has me ever so slightly intrigued.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Did you see the Austin Yellow or the White one? How does it look in person with those stickers (if you saw the white)? You know me, I'm all about wasting money and swapping cars so this one has me ever so slightly intrigued.

No no no Vic... don't even think about it. It's not your type unless you remove the stickers....It's like racer boys car... I saw the white one in Crevier last week.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

No no no Vic... don't even think about it. It's not your type unless you remove the stickers....It's like racer boys car... I saw the white one in Crevier last week.

I got stickers LOL

I hear ya.

[brad850csi]

one in Austin yellow would be quite a good looking and unique car I think. As your AMG GTS isn't Solar yellow I think it'd be a good option for the fleet

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

one in Austin yellow would be quite a good looking and unique car I think. As your AMG GTS isn't Solar yellow I think it'd be a good option for the fleet

Yeah my GTS is Selenite Gray- the Austin Yellow color is cool up front but the novelty would wear thin after a few months for me... and its waaayyyyy too much yellow for the M6 body.

Maybe ill get the white one with the boy racer stripes to piss off M6-Coupe

LOLOLOLOL

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Yeah my GTS is Selenite Gray- the Austin Yellow color is cool up front but the novelty would wear thin after a few months for me... and its waaayyyyy too much yellow for the M6 body.

Maybe ill get the white one with the boy racer stripes to piss off M6-Coupe

LOLOLOLOL

Agree with first part (AY) and LOL at second part
But like I said you can get the car and remove those stripes since car is FULLY LOADED + lots of CF stuff all around the car and M Performance Exhaust with nice tips. All you need (since I know you) is to replace the rims and lower the car and then ready to race with me