F12 M6 vs 991 turbo S .. surprising result !!

[ASM84]

I was surprised when raced my brothers 991 turbo S .. both cars are new and totally stock.
Sorry for not having Video .. will post one when possible.

So,

2014 F12 M6 Coupe: 560hp / 670nm / 1,930kg
9,000 km odo
Stock / limited Vmax to 260 kph (stupid dealer, no M drivers package)

2014 991 turbo S: 560 hp / 760 nm / 1,600
1,500 km odo
Stock

Both cars had enought sprints before the race. Both of drivers are capable of getting the max performance of each car.

Race :: rolling from 70 kph
With slight spin of my M6 in 2nd gear, the turbo S is obviously faster in 2nd,3rd gears .. made a gap of only 1 car in between of us, in 4th gear it is slightly faster. But when the M6's RPM crossed the 6k , it surprised me that the turbo S totally frozen even when shifting to 5th gear until I hitting the 260 Vmax. Total gap is just 1 to 1.5 car in between of us.

Now I am surprised because the turbo S has

Less weight 330 kg !!
Same hp
More torque of 90nm !!
It is Porsche .. usually its horses are more effecient "based on good experience"

So .. 1 to 1.5 car gap is nothing ! .. No advantage for the M6 other than its mileage against very new porsche. But thats not convincing me at all. In 4rth and 5th the M6 is equal to the turbo S .. maybe more powerful in end of 5th gear but I could not try becauase of the Vmax limiter.

Okay im so glad and proud of the M6 performance but .... Any clue of that weird result ? And does that means a Stock M6 is faster than 991 turbo !

[Twitch Massacre]

I gotta say this is a strange result as I can't keep up with my brother's 2011 Turbo S (997) from a roll. His is bone stock, around 13,000 miles in the odometer. My M6 has the Competition Package and 1,800 miles in the odometer, also stock. As to driver skill he is easily the less skilled driver in this case without a doubt. The 991 is more powerful so I would have expected an easy win for it with two skilled drivers at the helm and both stock.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by Twitch Massacre

I gotta say this is a strange result as I can't keep up with my brother's 2011 Turbo S (997) from a roll. His is bone stock, around 13,000 miles in the Odometer. My M6 has the Competition Package and 1800 miles in the odometer, also stock. As to driver skill he is easily the less skilled driver in this case without a doubt. The 991 is more powerful so I would have expected an easy win for it with two skilled at the helm and both stock.

Exactly!! +1....I owned 3 different 997 Turbos they were faster than the M6, I drove the 991 Turbo which is faster than the 997 Turbos.... I moded one of my 997 TT had 600hp was scary fast...From a roll I beat Murcielagos, Ferrari's really badly by multiple car lengths

[btbossman]

Yeah I should think the turbo s would beat you handily.

[ASM84]

Originally Posted by Twitch Massacre

I gotta say this is a strange result as I can't keep up with my brother's 2011 Turbo S (997) from a roll. His is bone stock, around 13,000 miles in the odometer. My M6 has the Competition Package and 1,800 miles in the odometer, also stock. As to driver skill he is easily the less skilled driver in this case without a doubt. The 991 is more powerful so I would have expected an easy win for it with two skilled drivers at the helm and both stock.

I agree with you, thats why I am surprised, but on the other hand, If you look at some M6 video in M5board against Ferrari italia or lamborghini LP570 .. I noticed that the result is not convincing! .. when investigated the video, I found that no one driven the M6 as it should be. The TSC should be totally OFF rather than MDM .. this is a big difference.

Add on that, an official test made earlier by german magazine AutoBild , stated that from 200-300 the M6 have an advantage amongst (991 turbo S / Audi R8 V10 / Nissan GTR ) .. the M6 is very strong above 200 kph , do not underestimate it.

So, please try to race a 991 turbo S rolling from 3rd gear and I am sure you will certainly see what I have seen.

[ASM84]

Originally Posted by LSM

Exactly!! +1....I owned 3 different 997 Turbos they were faster than the M6, I drove the 991 Turbo which is faster than the 997 Turbos.... I moded one of my 997 TT had 600hp was scary fast...From a roll I beat Murcielagos, Ferrari's really badly by multiple car lengths

Your opinion is 100% logical .. btw, I am a porsche man since 2004 .. I have a great experience in porsche mods. For instance, I got a 996 turbo S 780hp moded by 9ff. Faster than bugatti from 100 to 300 (proven by racelogic performance box).

I know how fast is the 991 or 997 turbo S .. but I am just sharing that weird experience.

On the other hand. I raced with LP560 Balboni edition (2WD) .. it was an easy win for the M6 ! Here I started wondering of how come the M6 can do that. Believe me, rolling from 2nd gear; the M6 is totally different if you turned the TSC totally OFF instead of MDM.

I will do my best to record a video this weekend.

[ASM84]

Originally Posted by btbossman

Yeah I should think the turbo s would beat you handily.

Not that easy .. the turbo S is faster , but disappointingly. I am an owner of a 996 turbo S .. modded 2 times .. one with 580hp (in 2007) and then to 780 hp .. done by 9ff.

I do not under estimate porsche. But that result was just weird. We raced many times and the result is the same. I have to try again after couple of months when the turbo S had some extra mileage.

[btbossman]

Yeah but I doubt it would take a skilled driver to win...launch would be the only sticky area.

I cant wait for my 991...Just not sure which 991 yet.

[ASM84]

Originally Posted by btbossman

Yeah but I doubt it would take a skilled driver to win...launch would be the only sticky area.

I cant wait for my 991...Just not sure which 991 yet.

Just close your eye and pick any 991 randomly, all are great .. I will give you a tiny hint. If you are okay with an ECU upgrade then go for 991 turbo S. If you want a true 991 go for GT3.

Man I have driven the 991 turbo S .. its steering is a complete failure .. I am very sensitive qith steering and I mark the tubo S (6/10) .. the M6 steering is (10/10).

Daily use ? .. yes , the turbo S is a daily car (7/10) .. M6 (10/10) specially with the Massage underneath for long distances

Joyful ? .. yes, in low speed specially, vast power with super grip (8/10) , M6 (10/10) , my tyres are almost flat, thats the true joy , precision and balance mixed with slight drifting .. thats true joy.

Beautiful ? .. thays taste .. but Yes it is beautiful , but not face to face.

May I buy one ? .. yes if they solve the crap EPS steering , I am so happy with the M6's HPS.

Is it fair to compare ? No, both cars are different .. both are great cars. It depend on what you want and love.

Go ahead , you never make a mistake woth porsche (except the Sh*t panamera).

[LSM]

Originally Posted by ASM84

Your opinion is 100% logical .. btw, I am a porsche man since 2004 .. I have a great experience in porsche mods. For instance, I got a 996 turbo S 780hp moded by 9ff. Faster than bugatti from 100 to 300 (proven by racelogic performance box).

I know how fast is the 991 or 997 turbo S .. but I am just sharing that weird experience.

On the other hand. I raced with LP560 Balboni edition (2WD) .. it was an easy win for the M6 ! Here I started wondering of how come the M6 can do that. Believe me, rolling from 2nd gear; the M6 is totally different if you turned the TSC totally OFF instead of MDM.

I will do my best to record a video this weekend.

I hope I do not come across like I dont believe you, I do...My expereince with Porsche Turbos has been different. 10 out of 10 times I would take a 911 Turbo over a M6, that may not be popular but I would...I can tell you from personal experience having driven them they are faster...I dont know what else to say or how to explain your experience...When a mag shows a 991TT S 1/4 mile at 10.7 and M6 Comp at 11.7 thats many many car lengths difference...On the highway you cant use the mags numbers bc they use the same gear in all cars, so in M6 may be in optimal gear for that 80-120 run but in Porsche may need a gear lower for best speed...Vic55 had a M6 and now has a 991TT S...im sure he can support what I have been saying....Hopefully he responds...When I did highway runs I consistently and badly beat cars that are supposedly faster than the new M6 in a stock 997TT...As i Stated i drove the 991TT, not S and it was a noticeable difference speed wise then 997TT which I thought from my own experiences was quite a bit faster in all areas then M6.

[fischer]

Hello,

I have taken a look at my German magazing called AutoBild Sportscar. A very famous and well known magazine in Germany.

Theese are the results about their acceleration test:

1. 2014 AUDI R8 V10 PLUS / 550 Horsepower
2. 2014 BMW M6 Competition Package / 575 Horsepower
3. 2014 Nissan GTR / 550 Horsepower
4. 2014 Porsche 991 Turbo S / 560 Horsepower


0-100 kph
Audi: 3,5s
Bmw: 3,9s
Nissan: 3,1s
Porsche: 2,8s


0-200 kph
Audi: 11,3s
Bmw: 11,2s
Nissan: 10,8s
Porsche: 9,6s


0-300kph
Audi: 39,8s
Bmw: 30,4s
Nissan: 35,7s
Porsche: 29,7s


As you can see, the story of our friend from Kuwait might be true. I believe in it.
Here you can check out the test:

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/911-t...n-4458559.html

Greetings from Germany

[LSM]

Originally Posted by fischer

Hello,

I have taken a look at my German magazing called AutoBild Sportscar. A very famous and well known magazine in Germany.

Theese are the results about their acceleration test:

1. 2014 AUDI R8 V10 PLUS / 550 Horsepower
2. 2014 BMW M6 Competition Package / 575 Horsepower
3. 2014 Nissan GTR / 550 Horsepower
4. 2014 Porsche 991 Turbo S / 560 Horsepower


0-100 kph
Audi: 3,5s
Bmw: 3,9s
Nissan: 3,1s
Porsche: 2,8s


0-200 kph
Audi: 11,3s
Bmw: 11,2s
Nissan: 10,8s
Porsche: 9,6s


0-300kph
Audi: 39,8s
Bmw: 30,4s
Nissan: 35,7s
Porsche: 29,7s


As you can see, the story of our friend from Kuwait might be true. I believe in it.
Here you can check out the test:

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/911-t...n-4458559.html

Greetings from Germany

Great post!!

[fischer]

Great post!![/QUOTE]

Thanks friend, I appreciate it.

[ASM84]

Originally Posted by fischer

Hello,

I have taken a look at my German magazing called AutoBild Sportscar. A very famous and well known magazine in Germany.

Theese are the results about their acceleration test:

1. 2014 AUDI R8 V10 PLUS / 550 Horsepower
2. 2014 BMW M6 Competition Package / 575 Horsepower
3. 2014 Nissan GTR / 550 Horsepower
4. 2014 Porsche 991 Turbo S / 560 Horsepower


0-100 kph
Audi: 3,5s
Bmw: 3,9s
Nissan: 3,1s
Porsche: 2,8s


0-200 kph
Audi: 11,3s
Bmw: 11,2s
Nissan: 10,8s
Porsche: 9,6s


0-300kph
Audi: 39,8s
Bmw: 30,4s
Nissan: 35,7s
Porsche: 29,7s


As you can see, the story of our friend from Kuwait might be true. I believe in it.
Here you can check out the test:

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/911-t...n-4458559.html

Greetings from Germany

Thank you for posting it Fischer.

as we can see, doing the math to have 200-300 we will find that the M6 CP got a better time than 991 turbo S (similar conditions, similar source) :

200-300:

M6 CP = 19.2
991 turbo S = 20.1


100-200:

M6 CP = 7.3 (my best time is 7.0 at regular M6, but average is 7.3 .. but condotions may affect. Slight wind affects a lot)
991 turbo S = 6.8


I am disapointed from the 991turbo S street performance, BUT it did well in circuits, even faster than GT3 ! .. porsche whats going on ? I always love and respect Porsche.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by ASM84

Thank you for posting it Fischer.

as we can see, doing the math to have 200-300 we will find that the M6 CP got a better time than 991 turbo S (similar conditions, similar source) :

200-300:

M6 CP = 19.2
991 turbo S = 20.1


100-200:

M6 CP = 7.3 (my best time is 7.0 at regular M6, but average is 7.3 .. but condotions may affect. Slight wind affects a lot)
991 turbo S = 6.8


I am disapointed from the 991turbo S street performance, BUT it did well in circuits, even faster than GT3 ! .. porsche whats going on ? I always love and respect Porsche.

I see the discrepancy now. I have no means to street race from 130mph-186mph my is more in the range of 60-120 ish or there abouts. 7.3 for M6 vs 6.8 for turbo is NOT insignificant at all...Thats half a second which equates to higher speeds faster for the Porsche thats car lengths difference. However you point is well taken but I have never raced at those speeds of much over 120-130....To me have the power from 0 - 130 or 60-130 is much more flexible how often you going from 130-186, never happens in USA that I know of....Both great cars, I own a M6 so....

[Twitch Massacre]

Originally Posted by LSM

I hope I do not come across like I dont believe you, I do...My expereince with Porsche Turbos has been different. 10 out of 10 times I would take a 911 Turbo over a M6, that may not be popular but I would...I can tell you from personal experience having driven them they are faster...I dont know what else to say or how to explain your experience...When a mag shows a 991TT S 1/4 mile at 10.7 and M6 Comp at 11.7 thats many many car lengths difference...On the highway you cant use the mags numbers bc they use the same gear in all cars, so in M6 may be in optimal gear for that 80-120 run but in Porsche may need a gear lower for best speed...Vic55 had a M6 and now has a 991TT S...im sure he can support what I have been saying....Hopefully he responds...When I did highway runs I consistently and badly beat cars that are supposedly faster than the new M6 in a stock 997TT...As i Stated i drove the 991TT, not S and it was a noticeable difference speed wise then 997TT which I thought from my own experiences was quite a bit faster in all areas then M6.

So that's where Vic's M6 ended up, huh? Traitor! No wonder I recognized it in another post where another guy had just picked it up secondhand!

I joke, I joke! 991TT S is awesome. I thought about letting the Gallardo go for one but I figure I'll wait to see the Huracan, unless I finally convince the wife to "let me" indulge in an Aventador. That conversation has failed too many times already though.

[btbossman]

Originally Posted by ASM84

Just close your eye and pick any 991 randomly, all are great .. I will give you a tiny hint. If you are okay with an ECU upgrade then go for 991 turbo S. If you want a true 991 go for GT3.

Man I have driven the 991 turbo S .. its steering is a complete failure .. I am very sensitive qith steering and I mark the tubo S (6/10) .. the M6 steering is (10/10).

Daily use ? .. yes , the turbo S is a daily car (7/10) .. M6 (10/10) specially with the Massage underneath for long distances

Joyful ? .. yes, in low speed specially, vast power with super grip (8/10) , M6 (10/10) , my tyres are almost flat, thats the true joy , precision and balance mixed with slight drifting .. thats true joy.

Beautiful ? .. thays taste .. but Yes it is beautiful , but not face to face.

May I buy one ? .. yes if they solve the crap EPS steering , I am so happy with the M6's HPS.

Is it fair to compare ? No, both cars are different .. both are great cars. It depend on what you want and love.

Go ahead , you never make a mistake woth porsche (except the Sh*t panamera).

Yeah I drove it and as you say was not wowed for an addition 50+ K than my M6...I think im going to pick up a Z06, then wait for the gt2 or 3 rs

[Maddict3]

Originally Posted by Twitch Massacre

So that's where Vic's M6 ended up, huh? Traitor! No wonder I recognized it in another post where another guy had just picked it up secondhand!

I joke, I joke! 991TT S is awesome. I thought about letting the Gallardo go for one but I figure I'll wait to see the Huracan, unless I finally convince the wife to "let me" indulge in an Aventador. That conversation has failed too many times already though.

[J Power]

heres my story with a the new 991 turbo S.

I own a m6 gran coupe and the mods so far are; BMC filters, Akrapovic exhaust, catless downpipes.

my results were surprising, we braked for a stationary speed camera and started the race.

starting from around 65 mph and until i hit the speed limiter i was right at his rear bumper.

it was shocking seeing such good performance come from such a heavy car against a much lighter car.

a total win for the M6 in my opinion for i was expecting the porsche to vanish into the horizon.

so what do you guys think?

[ASM84]

Originally Posted by J Power

heres my story with a the new 991 turbo S.

I own a m6 gran coupe and the mods so far are; BMC filters, Akrapovic exhaust, catless downpipes.

my results were surprising, we braked for a stationary speed camera and started the race.

starting from around 65 mph and until i hit the speed limiter i was right at his rear bumper.

it was shocking seeing such good performance come from such a heavy car against a much lighter car.

a total win for the M6 in my opinion for i was expecting the porsche to vanish into the horizon.

so what do you guys think?

Rarely people can believe that .. I am sure that this is what the result supposed to be. No wonder for me at all .. that means the 991 turbo is an easy job .. bravo for such a heavy M6 GC !!

Man I can tell that his only advantage was the 3rd gear .. afterward it is just "frozen". Right ?