Which M6 Gran Coupe ???

[Soundstream]

I am looking at two different M6 GC on the pre-owned market (up here in Ontario, Canada). I'm coming from an M4 and looking for a slightly more luxurious M car and have it narrowed down to two vehicles.

Vehicle 1 - $98,000 CAD
- 2014 Model Year
- Pure Metal Silver exterior (individual)
- Silverstone/Black two-tone Full Merino interior (individual)
- Executive Package
- Driver Assistance Package
- Carbon Ceramic Brakes
- B&O Sound System
- 22,000 kms (14,000 miles)
- Minimal service records

Vehicle 2 - $93,000 CAD
- 2014 Model Year
- San Marino Blue exterior
- Opal White Full Merino interior
- Executive Package
- Driver Assistance Package
- 34,000 kms (21,000 miles)
- Brand new MPSS tires
- Full service records

Vehicle 2 is out of province and would require flight + hotel to inspect/drive the vehicle. Both are at BMW dealerships.

Vehicle 1 is a local care with some nice additional options and is a special "launch edition" car. It is more costly and only has a regular warranty. They won't let me do an off-site PPI though, so that has me a bit worried.

I only plan to use this vehicle for 18 - 24 months, but that would mean the warranty of Vehicle 1 might expire at the end of my ownership. But I could decide to purchase an extended warranty in the future.

I have no colour preference one way or the other (I like them equally both).

Is B&O and CCB worth it for the extra cash?

The local dealer has been more difficult to deal with and the out of province dealer is providing me with a better overall feeling.

Any comments on which is the better option would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Ian

[Bimmma]

Since they are at BMW dealerships, wouldn't they be certified pre-owned which will have the extra warranty? or it doesn't work like that in Canada?

Assuming both cars are the same year, I would go with the first as my personal preference. The CCB brakes option alone covers the price difference between the two. Plus lower mileage, and the exclusivity of the individual color and interior which are all extra. B&O is also extra but not a deal breaker for me.

The second car is also a nice option. And being cheaper, it is a plus as these cars take a big hit and depreciate quite quickly over the years, at least it does here in the US.

I don't think you can go wrong with either choice

[Soundstream]

Totally forgot to put the year! They are both 2014.

The dealership can choose to sell it with or without CPO. The more expensive option would require me to add the warranty myself - but I can make that decision up until May 2018 and don't have to decide right away.

I like the idea of CCBs and B&O, but there is just something a bit off-putting by the actual dealership in how they are presenting the car. It's like pulling teeth to get information on the vehicle and I don't feel like I am getting the 100% truth.

The out of province dealership is the exact opposite and telling me everything about the vehicle, including all the repairs and fixes that were made. They are pointing out the little deficiencies (however minor they are) and that gives me a good feeling of their honesty.

[brad850csi]

Do either of them have the comp pack?

[Soundstream]

No, neither do. Am I really missing out by not waiting for CP?

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by Soundstream

No, neither do. Am I really missing out by not waiting for CP?

A bit tricky to answer on an M6, but check out this video

Most of the Auto Motor und Sport tests around Hockenheim show the various M5 and M6 versions go around the track about 2 seconds quicker with the CP than without it.

[Brooke]

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[M6-Coupe]

I don't see any reason why you even think about it. The option 2 is obviously much better deal, but make sure to test drive M6 GC before you go for it. The reason I'm telling you is because there is a HUGE difference between M4 and M6 GC. M6 GC is about 800 lb heavier and 10" longer. No doubt M6 is a big power monster with lots of luxurious compare to M4 but the handling is night and day; so you can't push the M6 to the limit the way you could do with M4.
And keep in mind "DO NOT TURN OFF DSC ON M6" This monster is no joke!

[Soundstream]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

I don't see any reason why you even think about it. The option 2 is obviously much better deal, but make sure to test drive M6 GC before you go for it. The reason I'm telling you is because there is a HUGE difference between M4 and M6 GC. M6 GC is about 800 lb heavier and 10" longer. No doubt M6 is a big power monster with lots of luxurious compare to M4 but the handling is night and day; so you can't push the M6 to the limit the way you could do with M4.
And keep in mind "DO NOT TURN OFF DSC ON M6" This monster is no joke!

I've driven the Vehicle #1 already. It is kind of what I was expecting (although I suspect I would appreciate the CP to be honest).

I found the M6 GC to be more refined and luxurious, while still having a sporty nature. I am aware it doesn't handle as well as the M4, but I just don't find myself driving the M4 on the limit. I am not overly aggressive on the street and I don't track my vehicles.

My main reason for changing cars is to get 4 doors and I don't want to move to an M3 as it won't feel like a "different" car to me.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Soundstream

I've driven the Vehicle #1 already. It is kind of what I was expecting (although I suspect I would appreciate the CP to be honest).

I found the M6 GC to be more refined and luxurious, while still having a sporty nature. I am aware it doesn't handle as well as the M4, but I just don't find myself driving the M4 on the limit. I am not overly aggressive on the street and I don't track my vehicles.

My main reason for changing cars is to get 4 doors and I don't want to move to an M3 as it won't feel like a "different" car to me.

Fair enough. Congrats on your new ride

[Soundstream]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Fair enough. Congrats on your new ride

I didn't get it yet. I've only test-driven it. I am still deciding.

[M6-Coupe]

Just out of my curiosity, had your M4 Competition Package?

[Soundstream]

No, it doesn't. It wasn't available at the time.

[M6-Coupe]

So I highly encourage you to get Competition Package on your M6 or any M car... it worth A LOT

[M6-Coupe]

Well let me explain a little bit. When M4 came out the first time I got a chance to test drive it. Since I was driving M6 at that time, obviously I compared it to my M6 and figured out M4 is not as stable as M6 at all due to light weight on rear side. Still it was nimble car but I felt more comfortable on my M6 specially on cornering or wet road when I pushed the car. Lease was up months ago and I returned M6 and now am driving M4 with CP. This car is a lot more stable than M6. I know you mentioned you are not the type of guy to push the car but even in rainy weather of North California in last 2 months, I have enough confidence to drive it on bad weather. I have a feeling this is important for you due to rainy/snowy weather over Canada...
CP (on any M car) has different suspension including sway bar and I believe different differential map software beside the extra power compare to regular car. My M6 did not have CP because at the time I got the car (2013) CP was not available but later on I test dove the CP and found the big difference.

[Soundstream]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well let me explain a little bit. When M4 came out the first time I got a chance to test drive it. Since I was driving M6 at that time, obviously I compared it to my M6 and figured out M4 is not as stable as M6 at all due to light weight on rear side. Still it was nimble car but I felt more comfortable on my M6 specially on cornering or wet road when I pushed the car. Lease was up months ago and I returned M6 and now am driving M4 with CP. This car is a lot more stable than M6. I know you mentioned you are not the type of guy to push the car but even in rainy weather of North California in last 2 months, I have enough confidence to drive it on bad weather. I have a feeling this is important for you due to rainy/snowy weather over Canada...
CP (on any M car) has different suspension including sway bar and I believe different differential map software beside the extra power compare to regular car. My M6 did not have CP because at the time I got the car (2013) CP was not available but later on I test dove the CP and found the big difference.

I hear what you are saying and understand the benefits.

The real issue is that I've been looking at M6GCs for sale in Canada (pre-owned, not new). The listings are so few and far between, that I could be waiting for 6 - 12 months to find a CP car in a colour combination that I don't mind (and is reasonably well taken care of).

There is one CP vehicle available (although not in my ideal colour combination), but they are asking almost $40,000 more for it. The CP is nice, but I don't think it is worth that much more.

[melvyn]

Originally Posted by Soundstream

I've driven the Vehicle #1 already. It is kind of what I was expecting (although I suspect I would appreciate the CP to be honest).

I found the M6 GC to be more refined and luxurious, while still having a sporty nature. I am aware it doesn't handle as well as the M4, but I just don't find myself driving the M4 on the limit. I am not overly aggressive on the street and I don't track my vehicles.

My main reason for changing cars is to get 4 doors and I don't want to move to an M3 as it won't feel like a "different" car to me.

I came out of F80 into F13 with CP and ceramics, you will be far better off in the GC from what your saying and still have the power to use when you feel like it.My advice would be to get one with ceramics as they are fabulous, they lose a lot of rolling mass weight which makes the car feel lighter and handle better as well, if you had CP with it you would reduce this again as it sits 12 and 10 mill lower and is not a harsh ride.
You mention you got to get on a plane to go see first option, I would email them and ask them to measure the pad thickness and to send you 2 pics of the read out on the idrive for miles left before pad change on front and rears.As it's a BM dealership, ask them what guarantees they will offer you if the markers on discs turn black and have they had the discs removed and weighed

[Soundstream]

Originally Posted by melvyn

You mention you got to get on a plane to go see first option, I would email them and ask them to measure the pad thickness and to send you 2 pics of the read out on the idrive for miles left before pad change on front and rears.As it's a BM dealership, ask them what guarantees they will offer you if the markers on discs turn black and have they had the discs removed and weighed

That is what I thinking with regards to the CCBs ... yes, the braking feel is different and they don't create dust, but the unsprung weight savings is a significant benefit.

Vehicle #1 is the local car. I have already test-driven it. I did not get them to measure the pads, but the rear said there was 60,000 kms remaining, and the front said 100,000 kms remaining (I checked that myself after the test drive).

They haven't weighed the rotors but I did get pictures of the wear indicators on all 4 rotors and they appeared to look close to new when I did compare them to a sample photo of a new rotor from BMW. They didn't look like any track use.

I've attached photos of them in case anyone cares to comment.

[melvyn]

Nothing wrong with them, they are perfect

[Nitrouz]

I almost bought option 2. But after test driving a base and a CP M6, I sprung for a new 2017 with CP and CC and MPE in San Marino Blue as that's the only color I wanted. I lease my cars for tax write off so the difference in ownership costs is not great enough to sway my choice either way. Try test driving one with CP and CC if you can... It's hard to put the differences into words and what's important to me may not be important to you. Good luck!

[Soundstream]

Did you get a great deal on your lease? I got the impression that even though dealers can't get rid of these cars quickly, they aren't super keen to budge on the pricing.

[Nitrouz]

Originally Posted by Soundstream

Did you get a great deal on your lease? I got the impression that even though dealers can't get rid of these cars quickly, they aren't super keen to budge on the pricing.

I know the dealer well. Msrp for 2017 has a markup of 7% from dealer invoice. I got 8.1% off. My trade in (2014 c63 507 edition) was worth $52k clean, they gave me $53k. Overall I came out pretty good and the dealer lost money on this deal. But nothing they wouldn't make back after I take my car in for service a few times plus the sale of my trade in.

Because it was the last San Marino blue in the country with cp and cc (and mpe which was a bonus), I had to jump on it. No San Marino blue in any of the production runs in February from the factory so if I waited I'd have to wait a long time.