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      11-09-2016, 05:16 AM   #1
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Calling all UK Remapped 640d

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Deciding between which tuner to go with in the UK.

I am interested in knowing the following,

-Which Tuner you went with
- Did you dyno
- Post remap BHP & Torque figures
- General comments on the difference

Help a brother out! Any information is greatly appreciated!

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      11-09-2016, 08:07 AM   #2
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I too am contemplating this

I hear Ecotune is the way to go if you are not willing to go for the ACS remap.

Unfortunately all the feedback I have is from F3X's.

Let us know how you get on with this because I am itching to get my F06 done.
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      11-09-2016, 09:39 AM   #3
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I don't believe it! Could you not have started this thread 3 days earlier?!?! I've gone down the RaceChips Ultimate route, being delivered tomorrow. It's just my luck that this thread will highlight better/cheaper options!! Shame I couldn't wait for my access to this forum to come through! Patience is a virtue that I don't have!
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      11-09-2016, 11:54 AM   #4
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I too am contemplating this

I hear Ecotune is the way to go if you are not willing to go for the ACS remap.

Unfortunately all the feedback I have is from F3X's.

Let us know how you get on with this because I am itching to get my F06 done.
This is how it's went so far!....

Speaking to many BMW car owners, Ecotune is seen to be the best for remapping a BMW diesel car. After having a extensive conversation with them, they claim figures around 380bhp and torque figures of around 750nm.

Having that said I know a few of the guys on here are remapped by JFA (Kent & Glasgow...I think) they only have a dyno at their Kent branch. The figures they claim are in the region of 360bhp.

I know of another guy that's running a map from DMS that claims to produce a 390bhp+ map.
Those guys are based in Southampton but fresh of the press, they have opened up a branch in West Brom. This is the most powerful map that's around for stage 1 by any company in the UK.

And that is what I know so far.
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      11-09-2016, 11:57 AM   #5
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I don't believe it! Could you not have started this thread 3 days earlier?!?! I've gone down the RaceChips Ultimate route, being delivered tomorrow. It's just my luck that this thread will highlight better/cheaper options!! Shame I couldn't wait for my access to this forum to come through! Patience is a virtue that I don't have!
Hahaha! I'm the same but to play with the software on these cars is something I'm skeptical about.
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      11-09-2016, 12:46 PM   #6
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Hahaha! I'm the same but to play with the software on these cars is something I'm skeptical about.
Yeah, me too. The thing that swayed it for me was the RaceChip Ultimate comes with a 2yr engine and drivetrain warranty and a free reprogram for my next car when I buy that. (I normally keep my cars 2-3yrs)

I'll let you know how I get on if you want?
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      11-09-2016, 02:22 PM   #7
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Hi all I took my 640d to JF Automotive in Maidstone to be remapped around February time and it's been spot on.

I said don't do a major aggressive map as I don't want too much pressure put on the box and the remap they did made a good difference with a nice amount of torque etc.

I've tested it against my friends e92 m3 which is remapped and my car has the advantage 0-110mph not sure above this as I didn't go over this at Santa pod. We also had a little go on route which showed mine was quicker especially in the midrange.

I'm very impressed for such a big car and how well it puts the power down.

Jf Automotive did a rolling road before and after and a few months later I took it to Surrey rolling road to see what difference there was between the two places.
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I went to Ecotune in Glasgow, all that I can say is that I went there for the ECU remap and rolling road graph and left with neither, they damaged the ECU while taking it out and I waited in the waiting area for 8hrs while they were trying to fix it, this was when the boss came through and admitted that he would have to get a new ECU which he did not have, this would have to be ordered on the Monday and then someone would have to come to where I live in Cumbria to install it. I thought that was me stranded but they managed to wangle it so I could drive home the 3hrs at 60mph, I was not happy let me tell you, also I was given some bollocks about not being able to rolling road the car because of a pedestrian sensor issue that could not be disabled ie the equipment in front of the car and the wall etc cut the power from the engine, I was sceptical at the time but just wanted to come home.
When they eventually got it sorted I have to say that I was underwhelmed by the change and TBH after going through all that it was not worth the £499 had I had to pay if all had went well. Lesson learned I was gutted that Friday when I got home.
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I went to Ecotune in Glasgow, all that I can say is that I went there for the ECU remap and rolling road graph and left with neither, they damaged the ECU while taking it out and I waited in the waiting area for 8hrs while they were trying to fix it, this was when the boss came through and admitted that he would have to get a new ECU which he did not have, this would have to be ordered on the Monday and then someone would have to come to where I live in Cumbria to install it. I thought that was me stranded but they managed to wangle it so I could drive home the 3hrs at 60mph, I was not happy let me tell you, also I was given some bollocks about not being able to rolling road the car because of a pedestrian sensor issue that could not be disabled ie the equipment in front of the car and the wall etc cut the power from the engine, I was sceptical at the time but just wanted to come home.
When they eventually got it sorted I have to say that I was underwhelmed by the change and TBH after going through all that it was not worth the £499 had I had to pay if all had went well. Lesson learned I was gutted that Friday when I got home.
Great idea for a thread.

I always plan to get a remap with my cars, then do research and see things like this and I chicken out

Unfortunately with the EDC17 ECU it has to be cracked open because it has anti tamper encryption, this process can easily go wrong even if you've done 100 of them.

Im surprised you were underwhelmed once it was sorted though, its quite a jump in terms of power and torque
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      11-10-2016, 08:47 AM   #10
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I went to Ecotune in Glasgow, all that I can say is that I went there for the ECU remap and rolling road graph and left with neither, they damaged the ECU while taking it out and I waited in the waiting area for 8hrs while they were trying to fix it, this was when the boss came through and admitted that he would have to get a new ECU which he did not have, this would have to be ordered on the Monday and then someone would have to come to where I live in Cumbria to install it. I thought that was me stranded but they managed to wangle it so I could drive home the 3hrs at 60mph, I was not happy let me tell you, also I was given some bollocks about not being able to rolling road the car because of a pedestrian sensor issue that could not be disabled ie the equipment in front of the car and the wall etc cut the power from the engine, I was sceptical at the time but just wanted to come home.
When they eventually got it sorted I have to say that I was underwhelmed by the change and TBH after going through all that it was not worth the £499 had I had to pay if all had went well. Lesson learned I was gutted that Friday when I got home.
I am actually kinda gutted reading this.

Over on the F3x side of things Eco Tune have a very good reputation, however your post has made me seriously re-evaluate if I want to use them or not.

The dealer who sold me my car recommended me these guys:

http://www.mstyle.co.uk/

So being close to that neck of the woods today I decided to pay them a visit this morning.

I must say I was impressed. Good workshop, good display of stock, serious cars parked outside and they seem to know what they are talking about.
Spoke to a guy called Joss who was happy to sit down with me and explain my options.

For me, maintaining warranty is important. Now the F3x crew mainly say avoid boxes and go for live maps. However I beg to differ.
If ACS do a box (which keeps your warranty intact) they can't be as bad as people say they are.

If I do a live map, BMW will be able to tell that the ECU has been tampered with, it will leave traces and could cause me a whole heap of headache.

Not wanting to spend ACS money, I was given the option of this:

http://www.mstyle.co.uk/bmw-6-series...s-313-bhp.html

I am seriously mulling this one over as it can be quickly and easily removed should I need to send the car into the dealers for any reason. Also it leaves no trace.
Further to this it does not claim unrealistic gearbox shattering, engine light illuminating, DPF fudging figures.
Also the guys at MStyle offer a installation service where they will in addition scan the car for any fault codes before and after installation.

They assure me in 10+ years of doing this the boxes are bullet proof.
The worst they have ever had happen is a few years back they had a faulty batch of boxes which would throw up random error codes such as "headlights not working" even though the headlights were fully functional. They explained they sent back the faulty batch and got in a new batch and problem solved.

Have you guys seen or heard about this particular box? I know Remus are a reputable company but would appreciate if any of you could give me some feedback.



He also showed me this:

http://www.mstyle.co.uk/bmw-6-series...sion-cars.html

Explained what it does and was very honest with me about it as well.

It seems to be something that will just make me drive like a lunatic, but for the price of it and how easily it can be installed and removed I might just toy with it and sell it on ebay if I don't like it.

Main thing is feedback from you guys on the Remus box first.

Thanks in advance.
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      11-10-2016, 09:59 AM   #11
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Mstyle have been around for years and usually stock high quality stuff, As for the Sprint Booster though, Im always cautious of cheapish universal products like this.

I like the idea of a tuning box but its a minefield out there trying to find the right one. Remus have a great reputation but the power increase in that box seems a bit too low in my opinion.
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      11-10-2016, 10:58 AM   #12
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I went to Ecotune in Glasgow, all that I can say is that I went there for the ECU remap and rolling road graph and left with neither, they damaged the ECU while taking it out and I waited in the waiting area for 8hrs while they were trying to fix it, this was when the boss came through and admitted that he would have to get a new ECU which he did not have, this would have to be ordered on the Monday and then someone would have to come to where I live in Cumbria to install it. I thought that was me stranded but they managed to wangle it so I could drive home the 3hrs at 60mph, I was not happy let me tell you, also I was given some bollocks about not being able to rolling road the car because of a pedestrian sensor issue that could not be disabled ie the equipment in front of the car and the wall etc cut the power from the engine, I was sceptical at the time but just wanted to come home.
When they eventually got it sorted I have to say that I was underwhelmed by the change and TBH after going through all that it was not worth the £499 had I had to pay if all had went well. Lesson learned I was gutted that Friday when I got home.
I am genuinely gutted for you mate! I was under the impression they were up there with the best and as it's been said the ECU can easily be damaged while taking the bottom out to remap.

I am also questioning the power that you ended up with as everyone I have spoken to, is overjoyed with their performance gains.

There is a company called Big Fish Tunning in North Yorkshire who have remaped a 640d in my area and the owner who is local to me has kindly offered to take me out in it! I will be reporting back on that map and will advise you guys.

I'm seriously stuck, but DMS is still an option for me! They are still the remapping specialist for this engine and I am yet to hear a bad word about them!

As for Tunning boxes, every car is running differently, and I would only every get my car remapped on a rolling road where the vehicle can be monitored effectively. But hey, that's my preference.
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      11-10-2016, 01:28 PM   #13
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Dandan - do you feel any difference in response or character of your car or is it just stronger all over the register?

Any problems due to the tune at all?

I´m afraid to tune since I really love the character of my 640D...

Do JF only do remap on dyne or the sell boxes?
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      11-10-2016, 04:27 PM   #14
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Dandan - do you feel any difference in response or character of your car or is it just stronger all over the register?

Any problems due to the tune at all?

I´m afraid to tune since I really love the character of my 640D...

Do JF only do remap on dyne or the sell boxes?
Hey Sonny, I've got so used to it now it feels slow lol but it's not it's just me wanting more power when I don't need it.

But yes it pulls better all the way through the rev range and keeps pulling right up the top too. While abroad I gave it a little test and I was very impressed at how it went from 70-160mph with quite a bit more to go.

Yes I'm sure Jf do the tuning boxes too bud.

Mine has been remapped for 9 months now without any issues. So far so good
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Jav, I feel that the car has more power but it is not blisteringly different, need to get it rolling roaded to know for definite. Since the remap there have been no issues to report, ecotune probably are a good tuner and they did their best once things went wrong, it was just that everything that I was looking forward to having done went tits up, I must say to not have the RR graph to prove what gains I got is REALLY disappointing as this was the first time I have had a car remapped and RR.
Anyway I love my car and life is full of ups and downs so F*ck it!!!!
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Hi everyone, although I posted this earlier in the year I have the DMS remap on my 640d and have been running it for just over two years. The guys in Southampton managed to eek out 392bhp and after Bmw wiped this by updating the software during a routine service DMS reinstalled the map with their latest saying it will be minimum of 400bhp.

I have never had any issues with all my maps from DMS, in fact they said it's possible to get more... but they keep it within tolerance levels for reliability. I'm placing an order for a new 640d in December for march delivery and after the run in I will be straight back to DMS.

Performance wise there is a huge difference over standard, when BMW wiped the map I had a wait of 3-4 weeks and I hated it, I suppose when you are use to a certain level of power anything less is frustratingly slow. The pull in any gear feels brutal especially between 50-120 it's just doesn't stop.. I've had to put a speed warning sound at 100 to remind me to slow down, far too easy and addictive with all that acceleration under your toe.

I can't recommend DMS enough, they really know their stuff and their customer support is fantastic, Martin and Tony are the guys to speak to, they've been around for 10+ years and advertise in EVO magazine every month.

I figure when I come to change my new car in three years time I'll be ordering an M650d xdrive coupe and handing the keys to DMS to take her up to 470-500 bhp... if I still have my licence.
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Hi everyone, although I posted this earlier in the year I have the DMS remap on my 640d and have been running it for just over two years. The guys in Southampton managed to eek out 392bhp and after Bmw wiped this by updating the software during a routine service DMS reinstalled the map with their latest saying it will be minimum of 400bhp.

I have never had any issues with all my maps from DMS, in fact they said it's possible to get more... but they keep it within tolerance levels for reliability. I'm placing an order for a new 640d in December for march delivery and after the run in I will be straight back to DMS.

Performance wise there is a huge difference over standard, when BMW wiped the map I had a wait of 3-4 weeks and I hated it, I suppose when you are use to a certain level of power anything less is frustratingly slow. The pull in any gear feels brutal especially between 50-120 it's just doesn't stop.. I've had to put a speed warning sound at 100 to remind me to slow down, far too easy and addictive with all that acceleration under your toe.

I can't recommend DMS enough, they really know their stuff and their customer support is fantastic, Martin and Tony are the guys to speak to, they've been around for 10+ years and advertise in EVO magazine every month.

I figure when I come to change my new car in three years time I'll be ordering an M650d xdrive coupe and handing the keys to DMS to take her up to 470-500 bhp... if I still have my licence.
You have me convinced, I wonder could we get a group discount if there are a few of us interested?
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Hi everyone, although I posted this earlier in the year I have the DMS remap on my 640d and have been running it for just over two years. The guys in Southampton managed to eek out 392bhp and after Bmw wiped this by updating the software during a routine service DMS reinstalled the map with their latest saying it will be minimum of 400bhp.

I have never had any issues with all my maps from DMS, in fact they said it's possible to get more... but they keep it within tolerance levels for reliability. I'm placing an order for a new 640d in December for march delivery and after the run in I will be straight back to DMS.

Performance wise there is a huge difference over standard, when BMW wiped the map I had a wait of 3-4 weeks and I hated it, I suppose when you are use to a certain level of power anything less is frustratingly slow. The pull in any gear feels brutal especially between 50-120 it's just doesn't stop.. I've had to put a speed warning sound at 100 to remind me to slow down, far too easy and addictive with all that acceleration under your toe.

I can't recommend DMS enough, they really know their stuff and their customer support is fantastic, Martin and Tony are the guys to speak to, they've been around for 10+ years and advertise in EVO magazine every month.

I figure when I come to change my new car in three years time I'll be ordering an M650d xdrive coupe and handing the keys to DMS to take her up to 470-500 bhp... if I still have my licence.
I'm Sold!!!!!!
DMS seem to be damn good at remaping this engine with those kinds of gains.

I can only imagine it to be brutal power, 400bhp sounds mental
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I just made an inquiry to DMs and got this reply, not a bad discount!:

Hi Michael,

We are offering a genuine software remap achieving upwards of 390bhp with the torque increasing by another 70lb.ft this can be completed either at an address of your choice, so long as my engineer has a quiet table with power and light, or at our HQ in Southampton. The mid-range torque is phenomenal and the economy improves by as much as 3 mpg. The software changes are not detectible by BMW and it can go in for services without any concerns and only warranty work that requires a test drive would necessitate us coming out to temporarily flash the car back to standard. Any callouts are free of charge for three years, with no limits on the number of callouts. The full retail price is £1200+vat but I can offer this at £900+vat as a discount for members of your forum. I would ask that they use a specific term when calling, perhaps your user name?

This price includes our full aftersales software support package, this is three years of unlimited callouts to either reinstall the software if it is overwritten during a software update from the main dealer, also if it is going in for any warranty work where the car will be test driven we will revert the car to standard to ensure the obvious power increases do not provoke any questioning from the warranty manager. These callouts are unlimited, free of charge, and we will come to any location required.

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I just made an inquiry to DMs and got this reply, not a bad discount!:

Hi Michael,

We are offering a genuine software remap achieving upwards of 390bhp with the torque increasing by another 70lb.ft this can be completed either at an address of your choice, so long as my engineer has a quiet table with power and light, or at our HQ in Southampton. The mid-range torque is phenomenal and the economy improves by as much as 3 mpg. The software changes are not detectible by BMW and it can go in for services without any concerns and only warranty work that requires a test drive would necessitate us coming out to temporarily flash the car back to standard. Any callouts are free of charge for three years, with no limits on the number of callouts. The full retail price is £1200+vat but I can offer this at £900+vat as a discount for members of your forum. I would ask that they use a specific term when calling, perhaps your user name?

This price includes our full aftersales software support package, this is three years of unlimited callouts to either reinstall the software if it is overwritten during a software update from the main dealer, also if it is going in for any warranty work where the car will be test driven we will revert the car to standard to ensure the obvious power increases do not provoke any questioning from the warranty manager. These callouts are unlimited, free of charge, and we will come to any location required.

Regards
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Really liking the look of this.

I would definitely be up for this.

I have used evolve in the past when I had a 335d and I was really impressed with them but I have also heard good things about DMS.
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So I have decided (and booked in) on the Superchips EPC.

The Racechip just seems ridiculous figure wise for a box. I would expect those kind of figures from a live map, not a plug in box. The Remus is near enough the same price as the superchips box but superchips offer slightly better (and still realistic) figures.

Further to this Superchips are doing this for me direct at their head office and not through a reseller.
I also have the peace of mind that the person whom will be working on my car is the guy who actually R&D'd the EPC box.

I have a euro 6 engine for which they have not installed a box yet, but because I am going to head office to get it done and it is being done by the main main I am confident in it's results.

I spoke to him (Graham,) and he clearly knows what he is talking about.

Will let you guys know the results once it is done.
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So I have decided (and booked in) on the Superchips EPC.

The Racechip just seems ridiculous figure wise for a box. I would expect those kind of figures from a live map, not a plug in box. The Remus is near enough the same price as the superchips box but superchips offer slightly better (and still realistic) figures.

Further to this Superchips are doing this for me direct at their head office and not through a reseller.
I also have the peace of mind that the person whom will be working on my car is the guy who actually R&D'd the EPC box.

I have a euro 6 engine for which they have not installed a box yet, but because I am going to head office to get it done and it is being done by the main main I am confident in it's results.

I spoke to him (Graham,) and he clearly knows what he is talking about.

Will let you guys know the results once it is done.
Interested for sure.
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