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      12-05-2013, 12:07 AM   #45
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It is ridiculous give where credit is due. The GT-R is hell of a performance machine. As for looks.....people need to give it a break.......the GT-R is not a flashy looking car. It is more down to business look. It sort of reminds me of the Bugatti as both are average in looks but fantastically mind blowing in performance.


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It will embarrass the m6 on a proper track. Don't get all the GTR hate on this forum.
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      12-05-2013, 03:38 AM   #46
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200-300 km/h M6 faster than 991 turbos

And 0-300 in 30 secs its fantastic Gtr 5 sec slower R8v10 9secs slower.
M6 Crash those cars at Speed about 250kmh...
Competition paket is really worth...
Both of these measurements are totally irrelevant in real life.
Saying the competition package is really worth it, because of these measurements ?
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      12-05-2013, 07:20 AM   #47
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200-300 km/h M6 faster than 991 turbos

And 0-300 in 30 secs its fantastic Gtr 5 sec slower R8v10 9secs slower.
M6 Crash those cars at Speed about 250kmh...
Competition paket is really worth...
Both of these measurements are totally irrelevant in real life.
Saying the competition package is really worth it, because of these measurements ?
Here is my real world data on my 2014 CP M6 with intake only, not even using launch control from a Vbox sport (20hz GPS so extremely accurate). Hitting 128mph in the 1/4 w/o launch control and 8.09 sec 60-130 . Yeah the CP is sig faster than a std M6 . But it would be "worth it" for the steering , and suspension improvements alone . The data from the article shows clearly the M6 rules at highway speeds which matters everyday to most of is lol .
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      12-05-2013, 08:56 AM   #48
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Well Cp is really worth it, not only for highspeed on unrestricted "Autobahn" but also for twits etc. Just the sportier package

i only have 2000km on it, and now it is winter brake. Colour frozen brillant White, ceramics, Cp.

Changes to make. carbon diffusor ordrerd, aswell mirrors and the Performance exhaust. Will fix it in february..



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      12-05-2013, 09:51 AM   #49
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meh. ..I would take anyone of those other cars over the M6. The other cars offer more performance other than top end speed.
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      12-05-2013, 10:16 AM   #50
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0-300 (186 mph) in 30 seconds is totally off the charts. Few cars can make it to 150 mph that quick.
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Well Cp is really worth it, not only for highspeed on unrestricted "Autobahn" but also for twits etc. Just the sportier package

i only have 2000km on it, and now it is winter brake. Colour frozen brillant White, ceramics, Cp.

Changes to make. carbon diffusor ordrerd, aswell mirrors and the Performance exhaust. Will fix it in february..



maan, that's a beast, beautiful combination!! In my opinion the 601M wheels look great, CP with the 601 is the way to go! What do you think about the exhaust? satisfied so far, any comparison to stock exhaust possible?

Greetings from Bavaria
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      12-05-2013, 12:51 PM   #52
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m6 and GTR will depreciate more than 1/2 its price 6 years from now. all other will still be worth close what they are today. ill take the r8 or 911 all day long.
Please show me an 09 GT-R which retailed when it first came out for 70k that is 35k. You cant even find them for under 60k unless it has a TON of miles and/or accident history.
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I find it odd that this comparison shows GT-R at 3.1seconds for 0-100KM when its been proven many times it is under a 3 seconds and from the manufacturer it is stated to be below 3 seconds as well
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      12-05-2013, 02:27 PM   #54
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In US, generally the numbers are somehow optimistic Also they present 0 - 60 times and not the 0 - 62 ones.
M6 is a great all rounder, but it's not a track dedicated car. It's real rivals are way behind it.
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      12-05-2013, 04:48 PM   #55
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I find it odd that this comparison shows GT-R at 3.1seconds for 0-100KM when its been proven many times it is under a 3 seconds and from the manufacturer it is stated to be below 3 seconds as well
In German tests they do not do a 1 foot rollout allowance, and it usually is to 100km/hr (0-62)
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      12-05-2013, 08:49 PM   #56
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sorry but i'd pick the dark side.
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      12-05-2013, 10:29 PM   #57
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If the M6 had less weight, I bet it would have overpassed in performance numbers the 911 Turbo S. The car weighs a lot, 300 Kg could be shaved off if lots of carbon fiber parts are used.
I doubt that. It already has significantly more power. We know that car is putting down well over 600 hp.

The thing you forget is that the 911 turbo actually has significant downforce at speed which the m6 doesn't thus being a more planted car. Downforce slows a car down as you very well know and to be under 30 sec 0-186 is astonishing for a car that has only 560 hp and actually does have downforce.

Lets also not forget that the 911 turbo is trapping well over 130 mph whereas the m6 is not even close to that, even though its a fast car. But the track times show you the M6 is really a one trick pony when it comes to performance. Its fast in a straight but fails to deliver the handling, dynamism, precision and feel that only a Porsche car. For those reasons I couldn't see myself ever driving the new m5/m6 in any version, my drives have left me beyond underwhelmed in them save for them being fast. But then again, any 550+ hp car with tons of tq, especially a serious underrate one is going to be a fast car.

The M6 has traction issues as is, lower weight would only add to the problem. Panamera Turbo and Turbo S are the same, they are super fast but heavy. If Porsche made a RWD Panamera Turbo S that would probably put up 911 Turbo S type numbers as it already puts down some serious performance and absolutely TROUNCES any BMW M car on the track. Its a full 3 and 5 sec faster than an f10 m5 and m3 on VIR which is an eternity.

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      12-06-2013, 07:42 AM   #58
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I doubt that. It already has significantly more power. We know that car is putting down well over 600 hp.

The thing you forget is that the 911 turbo actually has significant downforce at speed which the m6 doesn't thus being a more planted car. Downforce slows a car down as you very well know and to be under 30 sec 0-186 is astonishing for a car that has only 560 hp and actually does have downforce.

Lets also not forget that the 911 turbo is trapping well over 130 mph whereas the m6 is not even close to that, even though its a fast car. But the track times show you the M6 is really a one trick pony when it comes to performance. Its fast in a straight but fails to deliver the handling, dynamism, precision and feel that only a Porsche car. For those reasons I couldn't see myself ever driving the new m5/m6 in any version, my drives have left me beyond underwhelmed in them save for them being fast. But then again, any 550+ hp car with tons of tq, especially a serious underrate one is going to be a fast car.

The M6 has traction issues as is, lower weight would only add to the problem. Panamera Turbo and Turbo S are the same, they are super fast but heavy. If Porsche made a RWD Panamera Turbo S that would probably put up 911 Turbo S type numbers as it already puts down some serious performance and absolutely TROUNCES any BMW M car on the track. Its a full 3 and 5 sec faster than an f10 m5 and m3 on VIR which is an eternity.
It's more relevant to compare the numbers between M5/M6 and Panamera, and not with 911 Turbo.
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It's more relevant to compare the numbers between M5/M6 and Panamera, and not with 911 Turbo.
True which is why I said on the track the panamera puts every M car to shame. My times for VIR were panamera vs m5/6 and m3.
And it's a drivers race with all in a straight, but the pan puts power down with awd much better.
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@wolfinwolfsclothing: the awd cars have an advantage until a certain speed, after that the rwd ones will be in front.
I'm curious to see a 'ring time of an M5/ M6 with Comp Pack against the Panny Turbo S.
That is the proper track to understand the driving dynamics of a car. There is a gap of 2,8 sec in this moment.
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I got 7.1s with my M5.


My best result so far. - 6.6s


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      12-20-2013, 05:13 AM   #62
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m6 and GTR will depreciate more than 1/2 its price 6 years from now. all other will still be worth close what they are today. ill take the r8 or 911 all day long.
are you sure? GTR prices seems to be pretty stable compared to other cars
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