What's your next car after your M6?

[rsr racer]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well in the world of Bugatti, Agera, Pagani, Lamborghini, Ferrari, McLaren, Porsche (918), ... I don't believe M6 is a super car, but for sure it's a high performance sport car with luxurious accent. I really hope BMW introduces a super car soon... maybe M8??

I would classify those as HyperCars and the 6 as a knocking on the door super car.

[nyy13lal24dal9]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well in the world of Bugatti, Agera, Pagani, Lamborghini, Ferrari, McLaren, Porsche (918), ... I don't believe M6 is a super car, but for sure it's a high performance sport car with luxurious accent. I really hope BMW introduces a super car soon... maybe M8??

I was just wondering I've read articles where they have classified it as a super car.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by rsr racer

I would classify those as HyperCars and the 6 as a knocking on the door super car.

IMO, M6 has enough power and torque along with amazing DCT to be placed in supercar's territory, but the chassis, weight and size are not right there.
You might say she is knocking the door of super cars, but no permission is issued yet Still I believe if BMW M division put a M engine and re-design the suspension and chassis of i8 and name it M8, it should be considered a super car

[BTF13M6]

991 GT3
Acura NSX ( now delayed to a late 15 production start..... Maybe. Also starting at $150k possibly more considering the delay)
Used 458

[C5driver]

With BMWs investment in CF, the next gen M6 will have significant weight savings.

[adamg13]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

MB Laguna hills had a S63 coupe sitting in show room last month and I sat in the car... It's totally different car... Pure luxury car with sporty accent... It's much bigger and heavier than M6 Coupe.

400 lb heavier
6" longer
2" taller

It's even bigger and heavier than M6GC

Any idea what, if any, discount they were willing to give off of list price? Benz was always stingy with the discounts they'd give on its predecessor, the CL. Interior on that S Coupe is one of the most baller I've ever seen.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by adamg13

Any idea what, if any, discount they were willing to give off of list price? Benz was always stingy with the discounts they'd give on its predecessor, the CL. Interior on that S Coupe is one of the most baller I've ever seen.

I didn't ask for. It was too luxury for me

[Sharif507]

gt3 rs is in my book!

[GFK007]

Maser GT sport or MC Stradale?? Aging technology and performance figures, but definitely beautiful and sounds better than anything that comes out of Germany.

[DarkniteF12]

I never use my M6 as a daily driver so I only have 6k miles after 2.5 years..for now I love the car...looking to go more exotic for my next car...thinking of the 458 or Hurracan in 2016-17.

[3bobalden]

Lucky you! S550 is a beautiful car. I purchase a 2015 M6 converible and can't wait to get rid of it and go back to Mercedes!

[Mr.SugarSkulls]

Originally Posted by 3bobalden

Lucky you! S550 is a beautiful car. I purchase a 2015 M6 converible and can't wait to get rid of it and go back to Mercedes!

Ok, so get rid of it.

We don't need your negativity here.

[rsr racer]

Originally Posted by MrSugarSkulls

Ok, so get rid of it.

We don't need your negativity here.

The Skull hath spoken!! Banish thyself from the kingdom of M !!!

Seriously. Dump the car and get back to the merc. Why wait?

[Mr.SugarSkulls]

Originally Posted by rsr racer

The Skull hath spoken!! Banish thyself from the kingdom of M !!!

Seriously. Dump the car and get back to the merc. Why wait?

Right? There's plenty of people out there who would appreciate the vehicle more than that dude.

Especially since he "purchased" it- he's got no strings attached to it. Use it as a trade in and simply go back to MB. No need to spread negative energy in a forum filled with members who love this car

[bigbrian]

Originally Posted by C5driver

With BMWs investment in CF, the next gen M6 will have significant weight savings.

Yes, rumor has it the M6 will shed 700-800 pounds in the near future. CF will be used in the center/cockpit part of the chassis (not sure the technical name for this section). Boy shedding 800 pounds and keeping the same power would be nice. That will be the time to sell this one and buy a new one!

Brian

[bigbrian]

I am probably looking at a GT3RS or a slightly used Ferrari 458.

I would like to keep my M6 though because it's an awesome daily driver. I have my M6 modded to hell and back and it's just beautiful every single time I hit the START button and drive to the office.

So... Next car will be a "toy" car for me I think. Now I just need to buy the Wifey more shit so I can buy another car. Whatever works!

Brian

[Mr.SugarSkulls]

Originally Posted by bigbrian

I am probably looking at a GT3RS or a slightly used Ferrari 458.

I would like to keep my M6 though because it's an awesome daily driver. I have my M6 modded to hell and back and it's just beautiful every single time I hit the START button and drive to the office.

So... Next car will be a "toy" car for me I think. Now I just need to buy the Wifey more shit so I can buy another car. Whatever works!

Brian

Hahahaha hey, happy wife happy life! (With cars)

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by bigbrian

Yes, rumor has it the M6 will shed 700-800 pounds in the near future. CF will be used in the center/cockpit part of the chassis (not sure the technical name for this section). Boy shedding 800 pounds and keeping the same power would be nice. That will be the time to sell this one and buy a new one!

Brian

It's not gonna happen... with 700-800 weight reduction, M6 will be ~3500 lb!
600+ HP, 550+ lb-ft torque for a RWD, front engine with front bias weight car?? Noway anybody can drive this car... keep in mind all M cars are supposed to be DD, safe car for normal people (not super skilled one). There is almost zero DD car with that much power, torque and weight out there with front bias weight distribution. The only way a 3500 lb, 190"+ long, with that much power can be handled is the rear bias weight distribution(mid or rear engine) and/or AWD. I don't really think BMW change the configuration of M6 to make it smaller, a lot lighter or change the weight distribution that much. probably 300-400 lb weight reduction and adding AWD (hopefully it's just optional and not standard) and slightly rear weight distribution. Our M6 has 52/48 weight distribution while AMG GTS has 47/53 by going to transaxle configuration. It mean the gearbox and differential are a piece located at rear and the driver's seat is moved slightly backward to push the center of gravity to the rear side of car; however even 3600 lb, 180" AMG GTS does not have this much power and does not transfer this much torque to rear wheels. Ferrari 458, McLaren, Aventador, 991TTS, R8 are the example of cars in that territory (power, torque , weight,..) but all of them are mid/rear engine and the last three are even AWD and non of them is 190"+ long...

[C5driver]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

The only way a 3500 lb, 190"+ long, with that much power can be handled is the rear bias weight distribution(mid or rear engine) and/or AWD.

How about a front/mid like the F12? It's shorter.

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

I don't really think BMW change the configuration of M6 to make it smaller, a lot lighter or change the weight distribution that much. probably 300-400 lb weight reduction and adding AWD (hopefully it's just optional and not standard) and slightly rear weight distribution. Our M6 has 52/48 weight distribution while AMG GTS has 47/53 by going to transaxle configuration.

The F12 is 48/52. I can't see AWD...

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by C5driver

How about a front/mid like the F12? It's shorter.
The F12 is 48/52. I can't see AWD...

F12 is about 181" long (~12" shorter than M6), the height is 50" (4" shorter than M6) and the width is 76.5" (1.7" wider than M6). It's 3900 lb and weight distribution is 46/54

[chask]

Originally Posted by rsr racer

The Skull hath spoken!! Banish thyself from the kingdom of M !!!

Seriously. Dump the car and get back to the merc. Why wait?

Originally Posted by MrSugarSkulls

Right? There's plenty of people out there who would appreciate the vehicle more than that dude.

Especially since he "purchased" it- he's got no strings attached to it. Use it as a trade in and simply go back to MB. No need to spread negative energy in a forum filled with members who love this car

In all the years and hundreds of cars I've driven (worked at shops where almost every make and model of sports car was available at some point - we either worked on it or customers brought theirs and let us try) I've come to the conclusion there is a major concession all the mfg.s make. They tend to fall into one of these two camps - oriented for the driver or for the driver's comfort. I think Mercedes is the latter. BMW tends to be the former. Infinity and Lexus are similar. I always preferred the driver "feel" an Infinity had over the 'cush' factor of the Lexus. This doesn't mean that one is better than the other, just different. Some people prefer to feel like they are riding around in their favorite den chair (fairly well isolated from the road), while others prefer to have a little more feel of the car and road - become one with the car and be more in control of it. I am kind of the latter. Some people look at the refinements and quiet of the MB and think it is superior quality. To me all the extra sound deadening and some of the other creature comforts are just extra dead weight that get in the way. I've had a S65 and am now in a M6 GC. The S65 is fast and corners surprisingly well for a 3 ton car but I'd take the M6 GC any day. Obviously rsr racer is in the other camp.

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

IMO, M6 has enough power and torque along with amazing DCT to be placed in supercar's territory, but the chassis, weight and size are not right there.
You might say she is knocking the door of super cars, but no permission is issued yet Still I believe if BMW M division put a M engine and re-design the suspension and chassis of i8 and name it M8, it should be considered a super car

I'm definitely with M6Coupe on this. I still remember how light my old 2002 was. With a turbocharged engine it would have been a great all-around screamer - straight line and cornering. The 320 was a bit better but it added a bit of weight. Boy there is nothing like low weight in a sports car. And to be a supercar I think it's gotta be pretty light. At 2.25 tons my GC is just not what I would call light.

That said, I've driven a bunch of them and yet I'm kind of thinking the M6 is a great compromise. I thought the B7 I just got out of was a bit anemic at the high RPMs - needed a few more cc's. The M6 pulls really nicely, but I think it needs a couple more too, or perhaps some more boost - or both. Most of that though I think is to overcome the weight of the car. After driving it some I may change my mind but I'm not sure that maybe this isn't already in supercar territory. If not it's awfully close.

Originally Posted by bigbrian

Yes, rumor has it the M6 will shed 700-800 pounds in the near future. CF will be used in the center/cockpit part of the chassis (not sure the technical name for this section). Boy shedding 800 pounds and keeping the same power would be nice. That will be the time to sell this one and buy a new one!
Brian

Shedding 700-800 pounds would certainly do it for me. Maybe go up to the 600 bhp the 2016 B6 is supposed to have, or even better - 650-700 bhp. Now that would be a supercar to me, especially if they could achieve that weight loss with an AWD option. Better still, put that kind of power in a 1.5 ton car with the looks of the i8 or the old 8 series. Speaking of which - have you all seen this?
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...17-future-cars

The proposed powertrain is an upgraded version of the 4.4-liter Twin Turbo V8 (S63TU?) with 600-650 bhp coupled to an eight-speed dual-clutch automatic.

Only thing I did not really like about the old M1 was that it was made for a small person. At 6'2" and getting on in years I kind of like not having to crick my neck and back to fit into a car. It seemed like the M1 was designed for someone about 5'8", maybe 5'10" at most.

Probably one of the best handling cars I ever drove was a Consulier. At the time I drove it they only had the Chrysler 2.2 liter turbo in it - I think later they offered a Renault V6 race motor. Besides desperately needing a styling improvement, that car was severely lacking horsepower. What it had going for it though was its carbon fiber chassis - or was it Kevlar (or both)? Either way, it came in at 2200 pounds with the Chrysler 4 cyl. I can't find any data on the racing 6 cyl they eventually put in it but I bet it was a screamer. I saw a guy drive that 4 cyl around the track in one of Mosler's $100,000 challenges - $100K to anyone who could beat his car around the track with any production vehicle (no mods). The only thing that came close was a tuned 944 Turbo driven by a Porsche factory race driver. It was just over 5 seconds a lap slower. The next closest contender was a Callaway Corvette - I want to say it was just over 10 seconds a lap slower, maybe 11. The rest of the field was not worth mentioning. Although there were some real exotics in the group in a 50-60 lap race they would have been lapped at least 6-7 times if not more - some of them would have been down by double digits (no kidding). The best part (for me) was one thing that did not make the story that hit a couple of the national mags. I was a house guest of the Mosler's that weekend. Definitely some of the nicest people I have ever met. I had come down to help them get a little more power out of the Chrysler turbo. When Warren learned that I was staying in a hotel near the shop he insisted I stay at his home that weekend and gave me a car to drive (the "challenge" car) in case I needed to go somewhere (and probably so I could familiarize myself with the way it worked). I drove it around that weekend. On the challenge day drove it to the track. I got out. They changed the plugs and raced everyone who came to try their luck with $100K on the line if they lost. After the event was over I got back in it and drove it for the rest of the weekend. It wasn't much to look at but boy was it fast. I can imagine that car with one of our S63TU engines in int. Add a little tuning and maybe some meth to get it up to around 700 hp . . . that'd be something like a 4 to 1 weight/hp ratio in a street car (including the driver)!!

That car made the M6's lack of roll seem really weak. I am convinced it was mostly the weight coupled with the fairly wide track. Everything in the car was CF (or KF) - except for the engine and engine carriage. If BMW were to do something like that (as CD5driver suggests) I think it would be unbelievable. Couple it with the fit and finish of the current M6 interior and I'd be in one for the rest of my life. In fact, put me on the list right now.

The only problem I can foresee is that CF is as brittle as it is lightweight and strong. There are not going to be any controlled crush segments like you have in the current BMW lineup to protect the driver in a collision (sure saved my life one time). They'd have to come up with another way of keeping us safe.

[Mr.SugarSkulls]

Originally Posted by chask

In all the years and hundreds of cars I've driven (worked at shops where almost every make and model of sports car was available at some point - we either worked on it or customers brought theirs and let us try) I've come to the conclusion there is a major concession all the mfg.s make. They tend to fall into one of these two camps - oriented for the driver or for the driver's comfort. I think Mercedes is the latter. BMW tends to be the former. Infinity and Lexus are similar. I always preferred the driver "feel" an Infinity had over the 'cush' factor of the Lexus. This doesn't mean that one is better than the other, just different. Some people prefer to feel like they are riding around in their favorite den chair (fairly well isolated from the road), while others prefer to have a little more feel of the car and road - become one with the car and be more in control of it. I am kind of the latter. Some people look at the refinements and quiet of the MB and think it is superior quality. To me all the extra sound deadening and some of the other creature comforts are just extra dead weight that get in the way. I've had a S65 and am now in a M6 GC. The S65 is fast and corners surprisingly well for a 3 ton car but I'd take the M6 GC any day. Obviously rsr racer is in the other camp.

I'm definitely with M6Coupe on this. I still remember how light my old 2002 was. With a turbocharged engine it would have been a great all-around screamer - straight line and cornering. The 320 was a bit better but it added a bit of weight. Boy there is nothing like low weight in a sports car. And to be a supercar I think it's gotta be pretty light. At 2.25 tons my GC is just not what I would call light.

That said, I've driven a bunch of them and yet I'm kind of thinking the M6 is a great compromise. I thought the B7 I just got out of was a bit anemic at the high RPMs - needed a few more cc's. The M6 pulls really nicely, but I think it needs a couple more too, or perhaps some more boost - or both. Most of that though I think is to overcome the weight of the car. After driving it some I may change my mind but I'm not sure that maybe this isn't already in supercar territory. If not it's awfully close.

Shedding 700-800 pounds would certainly do it for me. Maybe go up to the 600 bhp the 2016 B6 is supposed to have, or even better - 650-700 bhp. Now that would be a supercar to me, especially if they could achieve that weight loss with an AWD option. Better still, put that kind of power in a 1.5 ton car with the looks of the i8 or the old 8 series. Speaking of which - have you all seen this?
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...17-future-cars

The proposed powertrain is an upgraded version of the 4.4-liter Twin Turbo V8 (S63TU?) with 600-650 bhp coupled to an eight-speed dual-clutch automatic.

Only thing I did not really like about the old M1 was that it was made for a small person. At 6'2" and getting on in years I kind of like not having to crick my neck and back to fit into a car. It seemed like the M1 was designed for someone about 5'8", maybe 5'10" at most.

Probably one of the best handling cars I ever drove was a Consulier. At the time I drove it they only had the Chrysler 2.2 liter turbo in it - I think later they offered a Renault V6 race motor. Besides desperately needing a styling improvement, that car was severely lacking horsepower. What it had going for it though was its carbon fiber chassis - or was it Kevlar (or both)? Either way, it came in at 2200 pounds with the Chrysler 4 cyl. I can't find any data on the racing 6 cyl they eventually put in it but I bet it was a screamer. I saw a guy drive that 4 cyl around the track in one of Mosler's $100,000 challenges - $100K to anyone who could beat his car around the track with any production vehicle (no mods). The only thing that came close was a tuned 944 Turbo driven by a Porsche factory race driver. It was just over 5 seconds a lap slower. The next closest contender was a Callaway Corvette - I want to say it was just over 10 seconds a lap slower, maybe 11. The rest of the field was not worth mentioning. Although there were some real exotics in the group in a 50-60 lap race they would have been lapped at least 6-7 times if not more - some of them would have been down by double digits (no kidding). The best part (for me) was one thing that did not make the story that hit a couple of the national mags. I was a house guest of the Mosler's that weekend. Definitely some of the nicest people I have ever met. I had come down to help them get a little more power out of the Chrysler turbo. When Warren learned that I was staying in a hotel near the shop he insisted I stay at his home that weekend and gave me a car to drive (the "challenge" car) in case I needed to go somewhere (and probably so I could familiarize myself with the way it worked). I drove it around that weekend. On the challenge day drove it to the track. I got out. They changed the plugs and raced everyone who came to try their luck with $100K on the line if they lost. After the event was over I got back in it and drove it for the rest of the weekend. It wasn't much to look at but boy was it fast. I can imagine that car with one of our S63TU engines in int. Add a little tuning and maybe some meth to get it up to around 700 hp . . . that'd be something like a 4 to 1 weight/hp ratio in a street car (including the driver)!!

That car made the M6's lack of roll seem really weak. I am convinced it was mostly the weight coupled with the fairly wide track. Everything in the car was CF (or KF) - except for the engine and engine carriage. If BMW were to do something like that (as CD5driver suggests) I think it would be unbelievable. Couple it with the fit and finish of the current M6 interior and I'd be in one for the rest of my life. In fact, put me on the list right now.

The only problem I can foresee is that CF is as brittle as it is lightweight and strong. There are not going to be any controlled crush segments like you have in the current BMW lineup to protect the driver in a collision (sure saved my life one time). They'd have to come up with another way of keeping us safe.

I think you meant 3bobolden...rsr racer is 100% bimmer