DSM Too Restricted?

tab · 03-23-2016, 08:44 AM

I have generally driven with DSM on, so I can get some wheelspin without the car totally shutting down the power. I think plenty here do that.

But the problem is that on spirited acceleration, the car will start to fishtail (including in a manageable manner), but then the yaw nannies step in and shut down the power. It feels like the throttle choking off, but I assume the brakes are also being applied in a complicated way to stop the fishtailing.

The only way to know what the engine can do is to turn it all off (pushing the traction control button for like 5 seconds). That means the likelihood of losing it all and doing a 720 into a tree is there. Does anybody else wish there were a setting that would allow acceleration-related fishtailing without the car getting all scared and shutting down the power?

I don't drive like that much, but I like to every now and then, O.K.

I know the solution is to drive like an expert and know what the car is capable of with the nannies off, and manage the loss of control when it comes; but I wouldn't mind the car being there to prevent true dangerous yaw, while still allowing some tail-wagging. I don't expect the car to know what my surroundings are, but just letting me go 45 degrees but not 70 might be O.K. I'm not a vehicle dynamics engineer, but I assume BMW could do whatever it likes on those yaw settings.

I don't think I'm pressing any buttons wrong, or missing any settings, so please tell me if I am. I guess otherwise my question is how many of you drive with all the nannies off for this reason.

M6-Coupe · 03-23-2016, 09:44 PM

Well with DSC ON as you mentioned the nannies are there to take the control (by cutting the throttle off and applying the brake)to make sure you are safe. DSC OFF is all about man and machine and you must be expert or have enough seat time to get used to the power and torque of this RWD monster...BUT if you are seeking some fun you can try MDM which is changing the threshold of DSC interference and let you go sideway even though the DSC is still there to interfere if you pass the that threshold...Just make sure to try it with S mode to have enough control on car and of course chose a big open area at first place...

tab · 03-24-2016, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well with DSC ON as you mentioned the nannies are there to take the control (by cutting the throttle off and applying the brake)to make sure you are safe. DSC OFF is all about man and machine and you must be expert or have enough seat time to get used to the power and torque of this RWD monster...BUT if you are seeking some fun you can try MDM which is changing the threshold of DSC interference and let you go sideway even though the DSC is still there to interfere if you pass the that threshold...Just make sure to try it with S mode to have enough control on car and of course chose a big open area at first place...

Thanks. I guess MDM mode is the one I mean as the usual one. I've been trying DSC OFF, and I know it's a monster, especially with the throttle set to Super Sport. I've got a manual, so the shifts are up to me. I just wish there were something that's not quite DSC OFF, but allows more playing around (and bull power acceleration) than the MDM. So higher threshold before it intervenes.

constantin · 03-24-2016, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well with DSC ON as you mentioned the nannies are there to take the control (by cutting the throttle off and applying the brake)to make sure you are safe. DSC OFF is all about man and machine and you must be expert or have enough seat time to get used to the power and torque of this RWD monster...BUT if you are seeking some fun you can try MDM which is changing the threshold of DSC interference and let you go sideway even though the DSC is still there to interfere if you pass the that threshold...Just make sure to try it with S mode to have enough control on car and of course chose a big open area at first place...

So what you're saying is MDM light on on dash?

M6-Coupe · 03-24-2016, 07:58 PM

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So what you're saying is MDM light on on dash?

Yes

tab · 03-25-2016, 10:59 AM

And I'm saying MDM light is still too restrictive. I guess I should have used all the right initials. I guess the answer is I'll just learn to be careful when I turn everything off.

devondragon · 03-27-2016, 09:50 AM

FWIW I agree. I wish there was a MDM+ mode or something that would increase the allowed yaw before the car jumps in to save me from myself

lemetier · 03-27-2016, 07:59 PM

Guessing you don't have Competition Pack?

M6-Coupe · 03-28-2016, 02:37 AM

But I believe with MT , DSC OFF is manageable however I would not recommend it on public roads... the best place to try is either race track or private back yard track... where I usually have fun

tab · 03-28-2016, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by miamiten

Guessing you don't have Competition Pack?

I have the regular version. They won't sell a CP with a manual. Rumor is the transmission cannot handle it.

tab · 03-28-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by devondragon

FWIW I agree. I wish there was a MDM+ mode or something that would increase the allowed yaw before the car jumps in to save me from myself

Thanks. I guess I just wanted somebody to tell me that's the way it is.

lemetier · 03-28-2016, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tab

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Originally Posted by miamiten

Guessing you don't have Competition Pack?

I have the regular version. They won't sell a CP with a manual. Rumor is the transmission cannot handle it.

Wait....WHAT??? Someone actually said this to you and didn't facilitate the order???

tab · 03-28-2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by miamiten

Wait....WHAT??? Someone actually said this to you and didn't facilitate the order???

The Krauts won't build it that way. I asked. A friend with a mole inside the M division reports the manual can't handle it. The bump in power isn't very large, but apparently it puts it over the edge.

devondragon · 03-28-2016, 08:10 PM

I have a CP (DCT), FWIW.

M6-Coupe · 03-29-2016, 02:56 AM

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I have a CP (DCT), FWIW.

He is talking about 2016 CP with 600 PS (Metric Horse Power) which is not coming with Manual Transmission... the same engine M5 30 Jahre has

Mr.SugarSkulls · 03-29-2016, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tab

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Originally Posted by miamiten

Wait....WHAT??? Someone actually said this to you and didn't facilitate the order???

The Krauts won't build it that way. I asked. A friend with a mole inside the M division reports the manual can't handle it. The bump in power isn't very large, but apparently it puts it over the edge.

I can second this-

The 2014/15 m6 manual was compatible with the Comp package- but when I ordered the 2016 m6 in a manual- the New comp package is strictly not available for a 6 speed MT.

03-23-2016, 08:44 AM	#1
tab Second Lieutenant 64 Rep 232 Posts Drives: 2016 M6 Gran Coupe MT Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0) Garage List 2016 BMW M6 GC [10.00]	DSM Too Restricted? I have generally driven with DSM on, so I can get some wheelspin without the car totally shutting down the power. I think plenty here do that. But the problem is that on spirited acceleration, the car will start to fishtail (including in a manageable manner), but then the yaw nannies step in and shut down the power. It feels like the throttle choking off, but I assume the brakes are also being applied in a complicated way to stop the fishtailing. The only way to know what the engine can do is to turn it all off (pushing the traction control button for like 5 seconds). That means the likelihood of losing it all and doing a 720 into a tree is there. Does anybody else wish there were a setting that would allow acceleration-related fishtailing without the car getting all scared and shutting down the power? I don't drive like that much, but I like to every now and then, O.K. I know the solution is to drive like an expert and know what the car is capable of with the nannies off, and manage the loss of control when it comes; but I wouldn't mind the car being there to prevent true dangerous yaw, while still allowing some tail-wagging. I don't expect the car to know what my surroundings are, but just letting me go 45 degrees but not 70 might be O.K. I'm not a vehicle dynamics engineer, but I assume BMW could do whatever it likes on those yaw settings. I don't think I'm pressing any buttons wrong, or missing any settings, so please tell me if I am. I guess otherwise my question is how many of you drive with all the nannies off for this reason.
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M6-Coupe Major General 1125 Rep 6,066 Posts Drives: F92 M8 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Bay area iTrader: (0)	Well with DSC ON as you mentioned the nannies are there to take the control (by cutting the throttle off and applying the brake)to make sure you are safe. DSC OFF is all about man and machine and you must be expert or have enough seat time to get used to the power and torque of this RWD monster...BUT if you are seeking some fun you can try MDM which is changing the threshold of DSC interference and let you go sideway even though the DSC is still there to interfere if you pass the that threshold...Just make sure to try it with S mode to have enough control on car and of course chose a big open area at first place... __________________ Current : 2020 F92 Black Sapphire M8 - ZF8 Gone : 2018 F80 Mineral Gray M3 - 6MT Gone : 2016 F82 Austin Yellow M4 - 6MT Gone : 2013 F13 Sakhir Orange M6 -7DCT Gone: 2013 F13 Alpine White 650i -ZF8
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tab Second Lieutenant 64 Rep 232 Posts Drives: 2016 M6 Gran Coupe MT Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0) Garage List 2016 BMW M6 GC [10.00]	And I'm saying MDM light is still too restrictive. I guess I should have used all the right initials. I guess the answer is I'll just learn to be careful when I turn everything off.
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devondragon Lieutenant 153 Rep 427 Posts Drives: 2019 M5 Competition Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Boulder, CO iTrader: (0) Garage List 2014 BMW M6 Coupe [8.50]	FWIW I agree. I wish there was a MDM+ mode or something that would increase the allowed yaw before the car jumps in to save me from myself
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M6-Coupe Major General 1125 Rep 6,066 Posts Drives: F92 M8 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Bay area iTrader: (0)	But I believe with MT , DSC OFF is manageable however I would not recommend it on public roads... the best place to try is either race track or private back yard track... where I usually have fun __________________ Current : 2020 F92 Black Sapphire M8 - ZF8 Gone : 2018 F80 Mineral Gray M3 - 6MT Gone : 2016 F82 Austin Yellow M4 - 6MT Gone : 2013 F13 Sakhir Orange M6 -7DCT Gone: 2013 F13 Alpine White 650i -ZF8
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devondragon Lieutenant 153 Rep 427 Posts Drives: 2019 M5 Competition Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Boulder, CO iTrader: (0) Garage List 2014 BMW M6 Coupe [8.50]	I have a CP (DCT), FWIW.
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