[BMWRL]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

BMW already has a Coupe which surpasses most in exclusivity,luxury and performance. It's called the Rolls-Royce Wraith.
It is also one of the reasons why the 8er is definitely not a 2dr 7er. Sure it shares its genetics but it is designed to provide a more sporting concept but still play in the luxury segment. It's an advantage to BMW that the 8er can be radically different.

This is a hot pile of steaming shit.... Yes the Wraith is exclusive and extremely luxurious, but no S-class coupe potential buyer is deciding between an S-Class or a Wraith.

[david in germany]

Looks like a mustang...

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

But no one is comparing a Rolls Royce to an S-Class (Coupe) even in Maybach guise. We can sit here and say, if you want a uber luxury BMW, go buy a Rolls Royce but that's not really an accurate/fair comparison. The S-Class Coupe starts around $120k vs. the Rolls Royce Wraith which starts around $300k. Like I said earlier, BMW being the parent company and having Rolls Royce (Wraith/Dawn) is not an excuse to not have a luxury coupe in the $100-200k range because within that price range, BMW could do a 8er luxury GT at the lower end and M8 at the higher end.

I'm sure the 8er is going to continue where the 6er left off but I, like many others, feel that this is a missed opportunity for BMW to really move away from sport/luxury for at least one car in the lineup and focus on luxury/sport and truly compete with Mercedes on this side of the spectrum.

You should go to German Car Forum. Some actually believe S-Klasse Coupe and Wraith are equal.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by BMWRL

This is a hot pile of steaming shit.... Yes the Wraith is exclusive and extremely luxurious, but no S-class coupe potential buyer is deciding between an S-Class or a Wraith.

S-Klasse Coupe is a 2dr S-Klasse in everything. Had the 8er been just a 2dr 7er. It would not be given much traction. The 2 dr S-Klasse seems to work for Mercedes-Benz. I don't think it would work for BMW.
The fact is that Wraith and 8er can co-exist as can a 9er and Ghost. Because they appeal to entirely different client bases. The 8er demonstrates a more sportier concept to the S-Klasse Coupe in its visual aesthetics. Had the 8er been an extension of the Wraith would you pay more for virtually the same car?

For the usual suspects of pedestrian safety. The Evil galactic EU legislations discount the low front end. So as the prototypes entail it will be slightly higher.
However the formula remains the same in regards to the shape of the headlights. The Kidney grille will meet at the sharper corner of the headlights but will not connect.
We can see this evidence in the prototypes themselves. Especially the ones of the new BMW M8 with full headlights. However the sharp lines of the bonnet will be carried over.

The spy shots also reveal how the core design of the tapered haunches, lack of definition for the upper flanks and the integration of the boot lid to sit on top of a light unit instead of being an exposed conceptual detail like most post 2000 BMW models is carried over from the concept to production. The upcoming Zee4 also has this feature which again can be seen on the prototypes.
The Spy photographs also show the position of the Air Breather is identical to the Concept. And that the opening on the prototype is just as large as the concepts.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by GioM3

I was dreaming of this quote for such a long time:

Development is also underway of a race-spec car ? the BMW M8 GTE ? to spearhead the return of BMW Motorsport to Le Mans: ?The BMW M8 GTE development programme for our Le Mans comeback is in full swing,? says BMW Motorsport Director Jens Marquardt. ?Developing a new racing car is always exciting, and in the case of the BMW M8 GTE the anticipation is that much greater still. We can?t reveal any pictures yet, but I can promise you that the BMW M8 GTE will look spectacular. We are planning an initial roll-out for the first half of this year and are looking at giving the car its race debut in the Daytona 24 Hours in late January 2018.?

Thank You BMW
Time to KICK SOME ASS!!!!!!

Are you and I perhaps @TooHu///mble the only people that noticed this ?

It seems like for years people have been clamping for a car for BMW to run up against the 911 and this could be a shape that could do so ?

The last GTE car I can recall is the Z4 GTE. The BMW M6 also ran GT-LM with all of the big coupes. The M6 was out of place as a big sedan and the M8 appears to be lower and sleeker and shorter overall. Looking forward to seeing more from the racing programs !

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by JSTDR1V

I thought the surprise was going to be that the 8 series was only going to be 1 model - the M8.

I really don't see how they can have a drastic enough difference in a 850 and a M8.

Back in the 1990s BMW made three models , an 840 , 850 and an 850csi and they didn't make an M8 back then. Sure seems to me that an M8 back then might have actually been a really big game changer....

And already .. with just a single 8 series model.. you don't think they can support a lesser model ? I would say that you likely will eat crow ...


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_8_Series


What's also interesting is the confusion over the 8 series with respect to the old 6 series.

Sure seems to me history is repeating itself.



BMW 8 Series
The BMW 8 Series (chassis code: E31) is a Grand Tourer built by BMW from 1989 to 1999 powered by either a V8 or V12 engine. While it did supplant the original E24 based 6 Series in 1991, a common misconception is that the 8 Series was developed as a successor. It was actually an entirely new class aimed at a different market, however, with a substantially higher price and better performance than the 6 Series.

BMW 8 Series (E31)
Overview
Manufacturer BMW
Production (1989-1999
30,621 built[1]
Assembly Germany
Designer Klaus Kapitza (1986)
Body and chassis
Class Grand tourer (S)
Body style 2-door coupe
Layout FR layout
Powertrain
Engine 4.0 L M60 V8
4.4 L M62 V8
5.0 L M70 V12
5.4 L M73 V12
5.6 L S70 V12
Transmission 4-speed automatic
5-speed automatic
6-speed manual
Dimensions
Wheelbase 2,685 mm (105.7 in)[2]
Length 4,780 mm (188 in)
Width 1,854 mm (73.0 in)
Height 1,341 mm (52.8 in)I

[redux]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Back in the 1990s BMW made three models , an 840 , 850 and an 850csi and they didn't make an M8 back then. Sure seems to me that an M8 back then might have actually been a really big game changer....

And already .. with just a single 8 series model.. you don't think they can support a lesser model ? I would say that you likely will eat crow ...


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_8_Series


What's also interesting is the confusion over the 8 series with respect to the old 6 series.

Sure seems to me history is repeating itself.



BMW 8 Series
The BMW 8 Series (chassis code: E31) is a Grand Tourer built by BMW from 1989 to 1999 powered by either a V8 or V12 engine. While it did supplant the original E24 based 6 Series in 1991, a common misconception is that the 8 Series was developed as a successor. It was actually an entirely new class aimed at a different market, however, with a substantially higher price and better performance than the 6 Series.

BMW 8 Series (E31)
Overview
Manufacturer BMW
Production (1989-1999
30,621 built[1]
Assembly Germany
Designer Klaus Kapitza (1986)
Body and chassis
Class Grand tourer (S)
Body style 2-door coupe
Layout FR layout
Powertrain
Engine 4.0 L M60 V8
4.4 L M62 V8
5.0 L M70 V12
5.4 L M73 V12
5.6 L S70 V12
Transmission 4-speed automatic
5-speed automatic
6-speed manual
Dimensions
Wheelbase 2,685 mm (105.7 in)[2]
Length 4,780 mm (188 in)
Width 1,854 mm (73.0 in)
Height 1,341 mm (52.8 in)I

Are you trying to hint at the possible chance of a V12? If not, please do. I know BMW won't do it, but I like v12's.

[Professor///M]

Originally Posted by redux

Are you trying to hint at the possible chance of a V12? If not, please do. I know BMW won't do it, but I like v12's.

Why wouldn't it be a V12? I was thinking this engine was going to come straight from the M760i

[Pretender]

Originally Posted by AKRAPOVICOWNS

So unlike the 4 and 6 concepts that were pretty much exactly the same as the production models that followed them, this 8er seems to be quite different than the concept, at least in the front..different grills and slightly wider headlights..probably will loose the 3D rear lights too.

Totally different compared to the concept. BMW starts doing concept like Japanese cars now: concept vs production = zero resemblance!

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

You should go to German Car Forum. Some actually believe S-Klasse Coupe and Wraith are equal.

Those guys are wrong. Just because it says Maybach in the model name doesn't mean it's on par with Rolls Royce. There's a reason why the Maybach name has become just a trim vs. it's own car like Rolls Royce. That's not a jab at Mercedes. Mercedes was actually smart in bringing back the name and making it the top trim in the S-Class range because they're the only player that provides that type of luxury at that price amongst the German 3.

[BMWRL]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

S-Klasse Coupe is a 2dr S-Klasse in everything. Had the 8er been just a 2dr 7er. It would not be given much traction. The 2 dr S-Klasse seems to work for Mercedes-Benz. I don't think it would work for BMW.
The fact is that Wraith and 8er can co-exist as can a 9er and Ghost. Because they appeal to entirely different client bases. The 8er demonstrates a more sportier concept to the S-Klasse Coupe in its visual aesthetics. Had the 8er been an extension of the Wraith would you pay more for virtually the same car?

For the usual suspects of pedestrian safety. The Evil galactic EU legislations discount the low front end. So as the prototypes entail it will be slightly higher.
However the formula remains the same in regards to the shape of the headlights. The Kidney grille will meet at the sharper corner of the headlights but will not connect.
We can see this evidence in the prototypes themselves. Especially the ones of the new BMW M8 with full headlights. However the sharp lines of the bonnet will be carried over.

The spy shots also reveal how the core design of the tapered haunches, lack of definition for the upper flanks and the integration of the boot lid to sit on top of a light unit instead of being an exposed conceptual detail like most post 2000 BMW models is carried over from the concept to production. The upcoming Zee4 also has this feature which again can be seen on the prototypes.
The Spy photographs also show the position of the Air Breather is identical to the Concept. And that the opening on the prototype is just as large as the concepts.

There is a big price gap and lead from a Wraith to this 8er Concept. Just because you add a Swarovski crystal iDrive knob and shifter and add alacantara leather everywhere in the cabin does not justify the price hike, when it essentially will have the same engine as the new 550 and M5 (respectfully in regards to the M8).
Don't get me wrong, I think this car is gorgeous, but I believe BMW is making a mistake in badging it an 8er. If you are going to price it where it seems you are, a typical buyer won't be really needing the performance you are shooting for to head to Rodeo Dr to fill the trunk with goodies. This is not the car to bring back the 8er name.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by JSTDR1V

Why wouldn't it be a V12? I was thinking this engine was going to come straight from the M760i

German AMS currently are saying it will be a 4.4L V8 Twin Turbo with 650PS.

[advantage20]

A 650hp M8 would create enough of a gap to allow for a 600hp M860i

[M4_GTS]

The new M8 (8 series) and a direct replacement for the outgoing M6 (6 series).

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by JSTDR1V

I really don't see how they can have a drastic enough difference in a 850 and a M8.

Why not? They will differ in the same ways a 650i differs from an M6.

[M4_GTS]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Why not? They will differ in the same ways a 650i differs from an M6.

Exactly, the perfect example is the new G platform m550 and m5.

[SCOTT26]

There will be noticeable differences between M5 and M8 from the engine.
For M8 to work as a single concept it now has to be as far removed from the M5 as possible. It's something you will see a lot now with BMW M.
Next years BMW M2 CS and X3M are good examples.

[AKRAPOVICOWNS]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

There will be noticeable differences between M5 and M8 from the engine.
For M8 to work as a single concept it now has to be as far removed from the M5 as possible. It's something you will see a lot now with BMW M.
Next years BMW M2 CS and X3M are good examples.

Thus leaving a gap where the M6 used to sit then.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

There will be noticeable differences between M5 and M8 from the engine.
For M8 to work as a single concept it now has to be as far removed from the M5 as possible. It's something you will see a lot now with BMW M.
Next years BMW M2 CS and X3M are good examples.

V12?

[owen6]

sweet

[Mark]

test

[bmwballer02]

Originally Posted by SliChillax

Don't think it's the M8. Might be the M850i or M860i whatever they call it. Those wheels and brakes don't seem like they come from a proper M car. Also it was spinning only one wheel in the video so no LSD I assume which means not the M8.

It will be called the M8. BMW said that they are continuing this car from the last M8 which was hidden for 15-20 years. This is a full M car. Also, those wheels are just the prototype wheels.