04-18-2015, 01:21 PM | #1 |
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My reworked F12 (Sharing here as well)
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M5 OEM Wheels with Michelin Pilot Sport Dinan Phase III Dinan Suspension Tune with Camber and rear suspension Parts Dinan/Brembo Front Brakes M6 Exhaust. Yes it fits and sounds awesome with Dinan Phase III Lowered with H&R Springs. Great ride. With Dinan suspension tune, I can adjust to a comfort ride or almost race Mode suspension. M Sport rear and Front Bumpers with Vorsteiner spoiler and size trim and rear diffuser 3D Design Front Spoiler (Awesome Part) Carbon fiber grills Carbon fiber mirror caps Carbon fiber shifter Stainless pedals and foot rest The car came with Heated and cooled seats, lane change front window projection, auto park, premium sound. Eric and Supreme Power was much help in making sure that I had the correct parts. Bought all the Vorsteiner and 3D stuff from him. This is the my favorite car that I have ever had. Great engineering. Fantastic to drive! Attached Images |
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Very nice car and you did a great job, but something I can't understand is why people like you get 650i and spend 20-30k easily to make their car looks and performs like M6 while it's not an M6 yet? I mean for sure you have spent 20-30k for exhaust, wheels, brakes, suspension, Dinan,... and still you don't have enough performance to compete with M6... with Dinan stage 3 still you have 100HP less than actual power of M6...isn't the different between the price point of M6 Convertible and 650i Convertible 25k? not to mention that M6 has all factory installed kit...
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You have a point but some folks like to make their cars individual rather than just be one of the crowd. Financially it makes no sense (as I know from old) but does spending so much money on a car make sense as a cheap ford would still get you from A to B....?
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04-18-2015, 03:27 PM | #4 |
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We are not talking about a car to get us from A to B... My point is not about those people. My point is about who are looking for performance (as this guy have spent lots of money for performance) while the performance can be earned easily and much better the other way. I used to have two F13 650i (one with N63 and another with N63tu and M sport package) and now F13 M6... performance wise, they are day and night... not even close. I mean even spending 30k on 650i, M6 is a different animal. Beside the look, there are many things such as Engine, DCT, LSD, Suspension,... are completely different...you can make 650i looks like M6 by replacing the exhaust, rims, bumpers, grills, brakes (and not CF roof), but incase of performance, as far as handling, power, torque, throttle responsiveness, gear shifting, steering and a lot more, NOWAY 650i can compete with M6...
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I drove a 650i and I found that the throttle response was terrible. The one I drove was an N63tu with 330kw and I honestly didn't realise you could make a car feel that slow with that much power!
In saying that, now that I've driven an M6 as well, the DCT gearbox and ride isn't as refined as the 650i so I guess it can depend on what you're looking for too. A 650i with a flash tune could be fast but still very comfortable |
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04-18-2015, 04:44 PM | #6 |
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People who can afford to buy the latest top of the range car and just drive it for the warrentee period with perhaps just a remap are one breed, the other is someone who likes to mod their car and make its theirs... Both have pro's and cons.
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Auckland... Cool. Was brought up there in Glenfield on the north shore. As for throttle response, I agree it's dire off the line! Hopefully a remap will resolve that, and some non run flats which are diabolical! |
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04-18-2015, 05:03 PM | #8 |
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F12 650 vs M6...
The only thing on this car that would have come on an M6 is the exhaust. I paid $750 for the exhaust and it had 1500 miles on it. All of the Vorsteiner and other carbon fiber stuff would have to added to an M6 as well and so would the Brembo brakes.
I owned a 2007 650 and a 2009 M6. I liked the 650 better. A little better ride. The car has approximately 510 hp, according to Dinan. It's fast enough. The M6 is an awesome car. Incredible engineering and I prefer an M6 because of the upgrades. If I had had done to a 2012-2013 loaded M6 what I did to this car, I would have $130k in the car. I paid $53K for the car (36,000 miles) and put about $20 K into it. The sticker price on this car was $104,000. I have a fantastic car for $72,000 and it's exactly like I want it. I thought about what you are saying when I started my project. I came in about $45,000 to $55,000 less with what I would have with a loaded M6. The 650 Convertible is a great car, not an M6, but it carries itself pretty good. Last edited by BMW Owner Florida; 04-18-2015 at 07:55 PM.. |
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I wish the next generation of M6 will be 5-6" in shorter length and 400-500 lb lighter... and NO AWD PLEASE
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Thats only a 3.8L V8, I would imagine that it really needs the 8500rpm redline to have it make the power it does. It also doesn't have the fancy twin scroll cross bank technology of the S63Tu. I had been thinking for a while that the next 6 series could change a bit. A few people think that the 6 series is the top of the range from BMW as far as a drivers car goes. The new 7 will of course be a bit lighter and will 'fix' that to some degree, but the various concepts of a massive sedan from BMW makes me wonder if there might be an 8 series again with 4 doors that is more 7 series based but with sporty intentions and is there to compete with the Bentley Flying Spur and similar. That could let the 6 series coupe be a bit smaller and more radical. All current high end BMW's have about 52% weight on the front which isn't ideal with the power they are putting out. If they had free range with the next M6 I wonder if a transaxle could change that around to have more weight on the rear and be close in weight distribution to the 612 Scaglietti, while having much more power. |
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To be honest with you the only issue I see in M6 is traction because of front weight bias. If it was a little rear weight bias, it would be a real rocket from standstill... It's interesting that even with current weight distribution, M6 GC (which is heavier than M6 Coupe) can beat the powerful E63 AMG S model RWD with a lot more torque and less weight from standstill...
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Depending on the variant the max power output is at 7000-7500rpm on the Mclaren engine. I've found a few dyno's online that suggest it builds torque steadily to about 4500rpm, then power is around 515hp at the wheels from 6500rpm to 7700rpm or so. Most S63Tu dynos show about 2500rpm to 5000rpm which will make a massive difference to the feel of the car.
I don't quite get the point of having the M6 the size it is for the reason you said (especially as the M4 exists), the back seat isn't really useful! Either make it smaller and lighter and more extreme, or a bit bigger, maybe the same wheelbase as the M6 GC, and maybe the GC could be on the 5 series long wheel base platform for China? If you made them both a bit bigger that opens up BMW to make a 2 seat or 2+2 Z5 or Z6 available in coupe and convertible just like the Z3M and Z4M. This would be the car that gets the transaxle and ends up with more weight over the rear. The AMG GT did an amazing lap time on Top Gear of 1:17.5 which is right up there with genuine super and hyper cars - faster than a GT-R and a Veyron! During the current series they said the new M3/M4 was 4 seconds quicker than the old one but didn't actually show it or reveal the exact time, but that would put it at about 1:21, which isn't bad but still a long way off the AMG GT. |
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Beside the current generation of 7er which is 200" long, M6 GC is 197" long, M5 is 193" long, M3/M4 are 184" long. I hope the next generation of M6 (coupe and convertible) fills the gap (size wise) between M3/M4 and M5 so something about 188-189" long instead of current ~193".... ~4-5" shorter M6 with rear bias weight and this much power/torque would be a fast and nimble car with a lot less traction issue. Like I said something similar to AMG GTS platform
I also hope the next generation of M5 (or 5 er) cut 3" in size and reduce to 190" and then M6 GC (6er GC) 193-194"... this is not something impossible with respect to the current platform. There is a gap of 12-13" between the radiator and the grill and there is nothing over there except the headlights and oil cooler underneath the gap and can be removed easily.
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The M5 has a shorter front overhang and of course it is still the same basic chassis so there is no reason the M6 GC can't be the same length as the M5 and the M6 be 4.5" shorter, based on the current wheelbase difference between M6 and M6 GC
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