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Actually this thread was supposed to be B6 vs M6 while the other one was M4 vs 650i... but ended up to M4 vs M6
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12-19-2014, 11:59 AM | #47 | |
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Or maybe just you and I can understand what's the huge difference between ZF8 and DCT
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And while DCTs are cool - an auto (especially that damn ZF) can be amazing - especially when coupled with AWD. and yes, that's the RS7 not the S7 (more expensive and not much more performance) and yes, the RS7 is 300lbs lighter than the B6 xDrive. However, we when talk straight line performance.... this is what I'm talking about. And sorry cjackson1906, I missed that you already posted this video.
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12-20-2014, 12:22 AM | #50 | |
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Or if you brought the example of RS7 to say B6 is doing the samething, then you are completely wrong! 4800 lb is a lot heavy! http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...pe_first_test/ http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review Also again for your information when you say "not much more performance" (RS7 over S7), keep in mind that RS7 has 100 lb-ft more torque and 110 HP more power than S7.... and you say "not much more" ? Dude, again I ask you to do yourself a favor and go and test drive M6. Then S7 and B6 and M4 and RS7 and.... then come back to me and talk about your experiences.... it's funny that every time you start a new subject " M6 vs xx?".... (xx is changing every time) and as soon as I answer you and question you, you immediately change that subject and start new one lol I highly believe you need to test drive to feel the difference between ZF8 and DCT... I just leave this link (C&D) here for you; however it's re-posted but since you are relying on C&D, it's some food for thought http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...specs-page-5-2
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Unless I'm reading your C&D post wrong, the RS7 is in fact faster in the quarter mile - or did I get that wrong? And from 5Mph (C&D rolling start) the advantages of AWD go away - however check out what happens from 50-70 with the RS7
Pick up a magazine - see what A8s, S7s, S6s are doing in terms of performance. I think you will be amazed and suspect like I do, that the S6/S7 engine is way underrated. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...0t-test-review http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s6-test-review http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rm-test-review Alas, we have taken this conversation far enough off topic. I think I've proven my point and you think you have proven yours.
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1. what was your point from posting this video? 2. after quarter mile M6 waks away (ie 0-130mph or 0-300 km/h) 3. 50-70 is "Top Gear" means both cars are in highest possible gear for that speed (like 4 or 5)... it's not a criteria to see which car is more powerful to walk away... Quote:
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Oh BTW, M6 is even faster than GTR "in rolling"
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B6 xDrive http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...rformance.aspx With a 4.4-liter Bi-Turbo V-8 engine two turbochargers with variable valve control (Double-VANOS and Valvetronic) and high-precision direct injection, plus electronically controlled engine cooling. Boasting 540 hp and 540 lb-ft of torque, the BMW ALPINA B6 achieves a 0-60 time of just 3.7 seconds and a top speed of 198 mph. BMW AG test results. BMW urges you to obey all posted speed laws and always wear safety belts. and the M6 Coupe http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx Performance Top speed 155 mph Acceleration 0-60 mph 4.1 sec BMW AG test results. Actual acceleration results may vary, depending on specification of vehicle; road and environmental conditions; testing procedures and driving style. These results should be used for comparison only and verification should not be attempted on public roads. BMW urges you to obey all posted speed laws and always wear safety belts And you point to the fact that they have a mistake on their stats (the runflats) and that must mean all of their stats are wrong. That's a silly argument. I suggest you go read Freakanomics - its a good read. So BMW thinks the B6 is considerably faster to 60, and allows it to go to 190+ from the factory, all you need to do is find a video or a reputable side by side comparison test showing otherwise and I'll write on this board "M6 Coupe was right - the B6 xDrive is slower to 60 than the M6" and since I just know you by now, you will point out that the 4.1 number from BMW is crazy high - however, remember, that would mean the 3.6 number for the B6 is crazy high too Enjoy your vacation. I will miss our discussions.
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I'm beginning to think you should meet, drop trou, see who's is bigger, and be done with it. 😉
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1. what was your point from posting this video? Edit: My comments are in bold
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I certainly don't want to get in the middle of this, but point of order: C&D's top gear acceleration run, in cars with automatic transmissions, allow the tranny to downshift. They just floor it. In a true manual (3 pedals) they keep it in the highest gear even if it means lugging the engine. The point is to demonstrate passing power. With the DCT in the above chart, it must have been in auto mode.
Also, M6C, you mean a lower gear ratio in 2nd vs. 4th - higher number=lower ratio. And it's not complicated. The product of the transmission ratio and the final drive ratio is your ratio to the wheels. Certainly there are many other factors in determining a car's acceleration: engine output, gearing, drivetrain efficiency, tire diameter, aerodynamics, traction, ambient conditions, etc. Regardless, all these cars are fast and can get you into trouble real fast on public roads. And for those of us that drive them, we should be glad we can afford them and should give them the respect that they deserve. Last edited by Bönz; 12-20-2014 at 08:52 PM.. |
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Not sure I like the fact Alpina went with the Non M-Sport front bumper.
It just loses so much of that aggressive sports car look factor but i guess they wanted the subtle sedan look. The M6 front bumper and intakes sweet, the M-Sport not so bad either but the non-M or B6, mmm not so pretty. Aside from the fact it is B6 and that just sounds extremely rare I would take the M6 over it for all other reasons. |
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