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      01-03-2018, 06:09 AM   #1
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Extend 2014 warranty; buy cpo 2017 or move on

My 2013 comes out of warranty this year so I have to decide whether to:

1. Go bare

2. Buy 3rd part extended warranty

3. Get a new m6 cpo

4. Buy something else (but what?) Budget is maxed at 80-90k.
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Get a new M6 if that’s on option. I’d reccomend used though so depreciation doesn’t kill you. I really don’t know of many cars that compare at the same price range. You can get something more sporty, 911 turbo, Shelby, viper, Z06, GTR. Or you can get something more luxury. S class, Maserati, new 7 series. But in my mind the M6 is the perfect one in the middle
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With your scenario and budget, I would definitely buy a late model, low mileage, CPO M6. There's no reason to buy new. You see how much these cars depreciate. Let someone else take the hit and get a '16 or '17 CPO with all the upgrades from your MY.
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$80k-$90k will buy you a lot of M6 man. You are priced into a used very well optioned 2017 M6 coupe or possibly a used 2017 M6 Competition Edition car, the lowest I've seen is at $95k list recently for an Austin Yellow one here in SF bay area.

IMO, I would save even more money and just go with a used 2016 with CPO. Let's be honest here...there's nothing special about 2017 cars versus 2016 cars, they're exactly the same except for the amount of original warranty left.

IMO, if you want to save the MOST money and you definitely want another car, I would buy a 2014 or 15 CPO ZCP M6 and call it a day.
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keep your car, you'll spend more money on sales tax buying even a used M6 than you will on maintenance.

Sure you may take a gamble and have a 5k-10k issue come down the road within the next couple years, but you'll be a heck of a lot better off than if you bought a newer car and had to deal with sales tax/depreciation.
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Get something different. Personally never understood folk that buy the same car twice.

2018 Audi RS7, Porsche Panamera, 2018 Merc CLS 53, BMW M5 would all be options that I personally would be investigating.
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Get something different. Personally never understood folk that buy the same car twice.

2018 Audi RS7, Porsche Panamera, 2018 Merc CLS 53, BMW M5 would all be options that I personally would be investigating.
I'm going to agree on this. Especially if your budget is $80k-$90k an entire world of Corvettes, Porsches, AMGs, RS and M cars are available.

Heck you can even dabble into Ferraris, Lambos, R8s and some rare model cars. Can I interest you in a CLK 63 AMG Black Series for example? I know, it's not a faster car, but man that thing is a fun beast to drive. How about a R8 V10 with 12k miles?
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I'm going to agree on this. Especially if your budget is $80k-$90k an entire world of Corvettes, Porsches, AMGs, RS and M cars are available.

Heck you can even dabble into Ferraris, Lambos, R8s and some rare model cars. Can I interest you in a CLK 63 AMG Black Series for example? I know, it's not a faster car, but man that thing is a fun beast to drive. How about a R8 V10 with 12k miles?
Be serious. He is worried about keeping the M6 out of warranty and you are trying to sell him on a low-end Ferrari or Lambo that is going to be many years old with old technology, won't have a warranty, and will be even more expensive to fix.

I would never spend 80-90k on essentially an old car....which is the Panamera (because the new body style is more expensive than $80k-90k and that's even for the base model). Even the M6 is going to be old in 1-2 years, too, and the prices will drop like rocks.

I am in the same boat but there really isn't much out right now. The new A6/A7/A8/Benz CLS/M5 are still probably 6-12 months away. Maseratis are junk inside. Everyone and their brother has a Vette. 7 series is supposed to have a major refresh in a year and a half....wouldn't spend that money on a 7 when it will be a dated body style very soon. Might want to just extend the M6 warranty for a couple years until more comes out.....
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To clarify this issue this is my daily driver, minimum 44 miles a day, with lunch more like 50. Also, must be a convertible, under warranty and have decent sound and tech. Really my options are M4, Vette, S5, or Carrera S or just keep what I have.
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Seems to me the M4 or extending the warranty on the M6 are obvious choices. What about one of these though?

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-and-info-news
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out of curiosity, are you planning on selling the "old" m6?
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If you enjoy what you have, why look at another? I enjoy my 13 as a daily driver and cannot justify moving newer. Unless you do not have all the options that you want there is no need to upgrade to a newer year. Granted, there are differences between years but unless you are in need of different options put an extended warranty on it and get a second completely different toy to play with.

I have my eye on a more practical used A7S for road trips with the family. I need the room for my wife and our two medium/large sized dogs.
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The Mercedes is intriguing, I looked at a C63s at the dealer. I loved it, wife hated it. Never driven one, and not sure I am a Mercedes guy.

I just priced an extended warranty from USAA:

12 months-12k miles - $2100
24 months-24k miles - $3,200
36 months - 36k miles - $4,500.
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IMO, I think the best AMG for the money is a late model (2011-2015) W204 with the updated performance (comes in 507 trim or P31 trim).

You get MCT transmission, LCI updates inside and out, and you still get the M156 V8 which will never be built again in this type of chassis.

Overall, I think BMW M does it better than AMG across all chassis except the small sport coupe chassis where AMG has the GT, and BMW doesn't have a Z4 M anymore.
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The Mercedes is intriguing, I looked at a C63s at the dealer. I loved it, wife hated it. Never driven one, and not sure I am a Mercedes guy.

I just priced an extended warranty from USAA:

12 months-12k miles - $2100
24 months-24k miles - $3,200
36 months - 36k miles - $4,500.

I just bought a 3rd party war. from a BMW dealership. You can only get this war
from a dealership. Here's the deal I got. My war. expires March 3 2018

54 months - 45K miles w/disappearing deductible at BMW dealership that sold me the plan. $3021. Covers everything except wear parts.

The war. company is CNA National in Phoenix AZ. They service Carmax and I have heard great things about them.
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IMO, I think the best AMG for the money is a late model (2011-2015) W204 with the updated performance (comes in 507 trim or P31 trim).

You get MCT transmission, LCI updates inside and out, and you still get the M156 V8 which will never be built again in this type of chassis.

Overall, I think BMW M does it better than AMG across all chassis except the small sport coupe chassis where AMG has the GT, and BMW doesn't have a Z4 M anymore.
Mine is an early one with the torque converter so I may be slightly bias but I'd rate them as:

C205 coupe with MCT
W/S 205 with MCT
W/S/C 204 prefacelift with torque converter (P31)
W/S/C 204 facelift with MCT (obviously you'd be best to look for a 507, then P31)

The reasoning for this is:

The C205 Coupe is the best as it has the much wider rear track with wider wheels and tyres, this gives it the best grip and handling overall.

The new engine is nuts, hence why the 205 series is next. Maybe it isn't as charismatic as the old M156 but the flat torque from 2500rpm upwards is crazy. Note that they claim 1750rpm but that must be in 7th gear flooring it from 1000rpm and waiting for the boost to build. If you're at 2000rpm in 3rd/4th/5th which is more likely then you'll have a bit of lag until 2500rpm or so when it all comes alive.

The 204 with the Torque Converter is much smoother and better. The big engine loves to work anywhere in the rev range and even though the gearbox is a bit slower than the MCT, with the M156 engine it isn't as much of a deal. The MCT coupled with the M156 is a bit nasty, it is stuttery at low rpm and honestly I don't think it is much better than the SMG on E46 or E60 cars.

Of course the prefacelift interior is rubbish on the 204 and really is two generations behind in tech as well as feeling really cheap.

I've done 125,000km in my S204 P31 and it really is a fantastic car. I'm looking at an F13 M6 next because I don't really need a wagon and all of the 7 speed gearboxes from AMG annoy me! I know I suggested the C63s earlier and it is a great car, but I can't help but think the F13 M6 is better overall.

On my car, apart from a bigger petrol tank the gearbox is the only thing that isn't perfect. I've driven the MCT both in the 204 shape with the M156 and the 205 shape with the M177 and I think the MCT is slightly worse overall.

I've spent a bit of time in the F13 M6 Comp Pack and while the F13 is obviously getting a bit old now it is clear that it is a step above in terms of interior comfort and quality. The C205 comes across as flashier and fancier at first but at the same time cheap and gaudy. It is a generation ahead in style, yet the quality is one step lower down.

The weight isn't too different at for the C63s Coupe at 1800kg versus the M6 at 1925kg and is in fact a lot closer to the M6 than it is to the M4 I think. The M4 is 1660kw FWIW so the C63s Coupe is right in the middle.

However at the same time, the C63s Coupe and the M4 are both quite on-edge and almost try to make everything exciting at all times - I think they try too hard. The M6 can be both a relaxing high speed cruiser and a back road basher which is something you can't get from any other 4 seater car with a decent gearbox and a V8 sound. For me that is what makes the F13 special, it has 4 seats, a V8 and a dual clutch. Nothing else has that apart from the old RS5 which is much slower and has epic understeer via its 4wd system and weight distribution.

I'm hoping the M8 is fantastic and has a decent gearbox with RWD.
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If this is the car that you have been having high oil consumption , I would get rid of it.
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"If this is the car that you have been having high oil consumption , I would get rid of it."

Yes, and why would this be grounds to get rid of? I get free oil, so no cost, and BMW says its okay so must be Okay (grin grin).
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"If this is the car that you have been having high oil consumption , I would get rid of it."

Yes, and why would this be grounds to get rid of? I get free oil, so no cost, and BMW says its okay so must be Okay (grin grin).
Well I hear you , but 1. How long is BMW going to give you oil?
2. I have never seen a healthy car burn oil like you have stated yours has.
3. I guess they did a cost analysis on your car and figured supplying you oil is cheaper than the actual fix for it.
4. I would never feel comfortable driving the car any long distance under adverse weather conditions like when I drove my F10 M5 cross country this summer through 100+ temps through the desert etc. But hey , that is just me. I hope it all works for you whatever you decide.
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what about the Jag? The new F-Type R vert is a good looking car with the performance to match.
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Oil issues grounds to trade..

How long is BMW going to give you oil? Probably as long as I want. But at $7 per 650 miles, even if I pay its only $140 a year

I have never seen a healthy car burn oil like you have stated yours has. Actually this is a common issue for BMWs.

I guess they did a cost analysis on your car and figured supplying you oil is cheaper than the actual fix for it. Not really, factory not dealer said no repair, dealer stepped up on the free oil, not factory.

I would never feel comfortable driving the car any long distance under adverse weather conditions...I disagree, because the use of oil is like the use of gas, slow and predictable. So if I knew I was driving far I would bring extra oil with me (in my BMW oil bag, of course)

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what about the Jag? The new F-Type R vert is a good looking car with the performance to match.

I have driven the Jag and it is a lot of fun, but it is just to damn small. I have to put the seat hard against the bulkhead to fit and the center console intrudes a bit as well.
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