02-15-2012, 12:45 PM | #67 |
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Personally, I'm still a fan of the older gen M6. Aesthetically, the only edge i give to the newer model is the tail lights. One thing that i do not like about the comparison is the use of dull photos and colors to represent the older model vs. bright, vibrant, photos and colors to represent the newer model. It's not an equal comparison, almost like the before and after photos used in diet pill ads.
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02-15-2012, 01:44 PM | #68 |
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Also the visual comparison in this Thread is flawed when 3 out of the 5 pictures are smaller in the case of the E60 series.
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to add to what's already been said, the overwhelming majority of the E63 M6 cars that did get retailed, weren't even sold to the end user. They were sold to BMWFS at, what turned out to be ridiculously inflated residual values and heavily subsidized rates. By the end of 2007, dealers were so desperate to rid themselves of the inventory, BMW had double digit rebates on the car. Of course, at the end of lease, each of those 2007/2008 originations were a huge money loser, by way of having a car come back with stratosperic residual values (72% of 115000 ) while the used car market had other ideas (48k anyone?) I have no doubt that this movie will play out in style again. After an initial 'hold it steady' puffery, there will be a massive lease subsidy in place to move these. If you keep your powder dry and eyes opened for lease specials, you may just end up with one of these for about 1k/mo, which is where they belong in the first place. |
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Yes, on the specification sheet you will read how much more fuel efficient the new S63 engine is and their estimated 30% fuel saving over the S85 but in the real world driving tests I would be very surprised if this were completely true. I for one will never buy a turbo M car. Quote:
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02-15-2012, 05:01 PM | #71 |
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Normal aspirated high-revving engines demand more cutting-edge skills, synergy effects, and ultra expensive casting materials than force-induction engines. The result pays off as well especially in the thrilling sound and throttle response delivery. However that doesn't mean the Turbo-charged engines of BMW M like the S63TU aren't a master-piece.
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02-16-2012, 11:01 AM | #72 |
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The S85 to NA is what the S63tu is to forced induction. They are both masterpieces and cater to their respective owners/future owners. If you don't already have the e63/64, purchase one off lease or CPO, and then order the new one as well. Saying it has a V10 is like saying look at that rack. And if the new F12/13 does't sell well, maybe we will see a new NA beast down the road. I do like the the sakhir paint and m-dct for this one.
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02-16-2012, 07:16 PM | #73 | |
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It still won't change the fact that the E6x is not as appealing as the new F12 to some people Some people also seem to think that forced induction "loses" it's edge in the ///M brand but those people forget (or may not even know) that forced induction isn't something new. Cars have used forced induction since the early 1900's.. Cars have evolved since their creation. If you (or manufacturers) can't evolve or change with the times, then, you get left behind
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Who says the lighter weight can only be felt at track. It can be felt in daily spirited driving. Drive an M3 and then an M6. One can clearly feel the weight difference in agility due to the lack of heft.
More power or traction is not the substitute for weight in my opinion. I think BMW M6 needs to cut down on weight. It is getting two heavy. Quote:
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02-20-2012, 02:28 AM | #76 |
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4000 pounds may be heavy but the M6 is still much lighter than most of it's class competitors, (the exception being the XKRS) BMW made a smartly strategic move moving the 6 series up in class...
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02-22-2012, 08:04 PM | #77 |
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Four this I''ll have to agree it is two heavy
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