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      09-08-2015, 11:05 AM   #23
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I'm one of the biggest BMW fans, but it would be a no brainier to buy a 911 GT3 for that price with spare cash for tires and track days.
GT3 if you're specifically looking for a track car/weekend toy. But if you want a capable performance car with all the bells and whistles with comfort, the M6 isn't a bad choice.
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... OP... claims this car is a US only edition,.....
Not quite accurate.
"...., ostensibly, for the US market only."
A subtle hint of uncertainty, inserted for the benefit of the reader.
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The title of the thread and parts of the OP seems to be a bit misleading...

It claims this car is a US only edition, but from the info sheet posted in the OP it clearly says "limited to 120 units worldwide"...

In my geography lessons I understood that worldwide included more countries than the US
I take it your geography lessons were not taught in Texas. We were taught there is texas, then the U.S. is the rest of the world.
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I take it your geography lessons were not taught in Texas. We were taught there is texas, then the U.S. is the rest of the world.
Hahahaha... Why am I not surprised by that
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Not quite accurate.
"...., ostensibly, for the US market only."
A subtle hint of uncertainty, inserted for the benefit of the reader.
Hmmm... The title of the thread said US only. No uncertainty there...

And where did the uncertainty come from? There is not even a subtle hint of uncertainty in the info that said "120 units worldwide"
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Looks really good but at $157k? Ehh, might as well wait for the new NSX coming out
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Looks really good but at $157k? Ehh, might as well wait for the new NSX coming out
How much is that supposed to start at?
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Same part number says it all. Good point, hadn't thought about BMW keeping the steel brakes and saving money.
What do you think BMW's production costs for a set of steel discs are? $20 tops.
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I'm one of the biggest BMW fans, but it would be a no brainier to buy a 911 GT3 for that price with spare cash for tires and track days.
Except have fun trying to buy a GT3
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I think the reason for this, and the increased power for the competition package, may be due to the performance of the m4 GTS. I know that might be a far fetched statement, but because of how light that car is, another 50 or 60hp easily puts it on par or ahead of an m6 in terms of straight line acceleration. BMW isn't one to cannibalize their own product line, unlike mclaren So my best bet is that the rationale for the increased power and this silly marketing ploy is to keep the upper echelon in balance with the perception to other performance products. I wish there was a flash tune available from BMW so we can keep our warranties and toss the piggybacks, but I don't see that happening.
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I'm one of the biggest BMW fans, but it would be a no brainier to buy a 911 GT3 for that price with spare cash for tires and track days.
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I'm one of the biggest BMW fans, but it would be a no brainier to buy a 911 GT3 for that price with spare cash for tires and track days.
GT3 if you're specifically looking for a track car/weekend toy. But if you want a capable performance car with all the bells and whistles with comfort, the M6 isn't a bad choice.
I was comparing apples to apples. The M6 "GT3" vs 911 "GT3." Both are not comfortable for long trips. I believe the M6 GT3 would have harsh suspension and no rear seats. Both are track specific versions. Between the 2 track cars, the 911 GT3 is more ideal (lighter and easier on tires).

Agree, the M6 standard is a very capable, comfortable, and high tech car. I had a 6GC, although not an M I did love the way it looks.

I owned 8 BMWs, currently drive an X5M, and do not work for Porsche so my opinion is far from biased. If the Cayenne Turbo S cost the same as an X5M (it's $60k more similar options), I would say the same thing about the Cayenne Turbo S vs X5M as they both perform the same.

But $160k between 2 track cars: M6 GT3 and 911 GT3, it's a no brainier. Plus the GT3 holds their value really well.
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I was comparing apples to apples. The M6 "GT3" vs 911 "GT3." Both are not comfortable for long trips.
What? The M6 is a very comfortable car for long range trips. Efficient/comfort/comfort/D1.

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I believe the M6 GT3 would have harsh suspension and no rear seats. Both are track specific versions.
The M6 GT3 is not a track specific version of the M6.
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.... because of how light that car [M4 GTS] is, another 50 or 60hp easily puts it on par or ahead of an m6 in terms of straight line acceleration. ....the rationale for the increased power and this silly marketing ploy is to keep the upper echelon in balance with the perception to other performance products.
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I think BMW will de-tune the M4 GTS to keep it below the 0-60 time of the M6 CP.
I've read the 0-60 time of the M6 CP is around 3.6 - 3.7. Since a plain old M4 sits on 4.1, my guess is the M4 GTS will come in at around 3.8 - 3.9.
Just a guess.
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.... because of how light that car [M4 GTS] is, another 50 or 60hp easily puts it on par or ahead of an m6 in terms of straight line acceleration. ....the rationale for the increased power and this silly marketing ploy is to keep the upper echelon in balance with the perception to other performance products.
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I think BMW will de-tune the M4 GTS to keep it below the 0-60 time of the M6 CP.
I've read the 0-60 time of the M6 CP is around 3.6 - 3.7. Since a plain old M4 sits on 4.1, my guess is the M4 GTS will come in at around 3.8 - 3.9.
Just a guess.
I don't know if I believe that they can get any better of a 0 to 60 time. No one with an m5/m6 is getting better 60 times with more power lol. I couldn't put the power down stock and with my bms tune it's even more futile. The real question is what it will do from a roll. 60-140 I'm sure is lower, but there's just no traction to get any better of a launch for either the m5/m6 or the m4. If they had wider tires it would possible.
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I was comparing apples to apples. The M6 "GT3" vs 911 "GT3." Both are not comfortable for long trips.
What? The M6 is a very comfortable car for long range trips. Efficient/comfort/comfort/D1.

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I believe the M6 GT3 would have harsh suspension and no rear seats. Both are track specific versions.
The M6 GT3 is not a track specific version of the M6.
My mistake. I thought the special version M6 would be a track purpose model.
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The real question is what it will do from a roll.
Perhaps in your mind, but, that's not the real question in the mind of the manufacturer. The manufacturer publishes 0-60 times because that's the metric lots of customers will pay for. And prices are adjusted to reflect 0-60 times. See, for example, Porsch 911 coupe prices versus 0-60 times.
This is IMO and I'm not saying that's the best way to judge a car.
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The real question is what it will do from a roll.
Perhaps in your mind, but, that's not the real question in the mind of the manufacturer. The manufacturer publishes 0-60 times because that's the metric lots of customers will pay for. And prices are adjusted to reflect 0-60 times. See, for example, Porsch 911 coupe prices versus 0-60 times.
This is IMO and I'm not saying that's the best way to judge a car.
I totally understand and agree with you. However, it's almost impossible for anyone to get a 0 to 60 time that's below 4 seconds, and I've seen too many vbox figures to support that lol. BMW will undoubtedly report a quicker 0 to 60 but it's just fluff. They simply can't compete with the AWD competition, but on a roll it's still the king.
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