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Agree with the weather conditions but ultimately its not a very difficult car to drive with dsc on. The problems arise with it off where people lose control without even driving it aggressively.
Bottom line is if you havent driven any type of sports car previous to an M6 youre gonna feel overwhelmed. Otherwise you should be able to transition over fairly quickly. |
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It is possible to lose control of any powerful RWD car. The unfortunate reality of the modern performance car marketplace is that many people who can afford excellent performance cars do not have the time or availability to practice driving them or learn real dynamic driving skills- they are of course busy earning a living. It is this market environment that has been a windfall for manufacturers building AWD vehicles. Building an AWD performance car caters (not exclusively, but certainly in part) to those who are interested in very high performance, but do not have the availability to earn the requisite driving skill to operate a very high performance car.
Ultimately, Audi's RS models place the front drive axle at the front of the transmission, positioning the engine ahead of that by default. Unfortunately this is dynamically inferior- this AWD drivetrain arrangement impacts polar moment, instant center, roll axis, and a host of other factors which all lead to understeer and poor dynamics at the limit. While this option does appeal to a certain segment, Audi AWD specifically is a substantial compromise from a performance standpoint. BMW's M cars are deeply rooted in their Motorsport heritage, and I as an M car enthusiast feel extremely fortunate that the M engineers have not forgotten this. M cars are truly designed to be capable in a road course environment, and to be engaging to drive on the track and on the street. Unfortunately, just like a real racing car, M cars (and any other RWD performance cars) command respect and a modicum of driving skill. The fact that high performance cars required driving skill, competence, and practice to drive at their limit was once a component of the prestige and exclusivity of owning a performance car at all, and I, for one, thank M for sticking to that party line.
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Check out my cars, the owner of the company I work for has had a couple of RS6's including the current model, which you guys don't get over there. I also drove an RS3 when I was thinking about one of those versus an M135i or 435i GC, but then I drove the C63 and fell in love with it.
The Audi's all feel VERY heavy at the front and don't like changing direction because as Ilia said they place the entire engine in front of the front wheels. It's like being on one of those spinny things at a playground and sticking your legs out versus holding them in. If you like going around corners I would stay away from any Audi apart from of course the R8. An interesting issue with the RS6 that I have never seen mentioned in a review is the torque steer that it has, the front diff is mounted quite some distance out to the side (have a look at quattro cutaways online to see this) and it means that the entire car pulls to the left just like a turbo FWD car. Absolutely horrible if you enjoy powering out of corners! I note that xdrive and 4matic have the diff next to the engine which means it is much furthe forward but still offset to one site. I haven't seen anything mentioning the same torque steerbehaviour with either system though. |
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Bought my first M6 at 19. I'm 25 and on my second. I'm still alive... I think.
Truth is what your brother is telling you is borderline ridiculous. No modern car is a death trap. No matter how powerful and what drivetrain bias it's designed around. RWD, 600hp or not there's driver aids like the traction and stability control system that should keep you from wrecking yourself and others so long as you use them within reason. Go for a proper test drive. If you truly like the car, buy it, if not, move on.
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I would listen to your mate, get a mercedes and be safe and slow.
RWD kills.
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HPDE is where you and the car you love (not up to anyone else's opinion) need to go and here is where you will find the right guys to help you learn how to drive your car with confidence and at your own pace. No need to be a hero out of the box. Go practice and have fun. You'll realize that you can learn a lot in a short time very inexpensively. https://www.bmwcca.org/forum/index.p...g-island.9422/ Now; if you want to talk violent sledge to the head power and veritable death on wheels; after you're done getting upto the black and red run groups, I'll take you out in my 997 GT2 630 HP from 6 cyclinders and all rear wheel drive!! They don't call it the widow maker for nothing!!
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seriously...what 22 yo considers a sedan over a coupe? and what was i driving at that age??.....a friggin' Schwinn. 10 speed
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