Dinan Stage 2 Tuning and Intake Available

[jnkirk1974]

I just noticed that the stage 2 tune and air intake were available. Quick question..

While the intake shows the benefits when paired with the stage 2 tune, it doesn't show what it does on it's own.

Obviously, the tune is what maximizes it's ability. I understand this. Just curious to see what it does on it's own.

Thoughts?





http://dinancars.com/product/d760-00...ries&mid=1157/

[M6-Coupe]

Good point and I doubt it does a lot by itself.
Also I am not sure if stage 2 worth at all!

Stage 1 costs $3000 to increase the 618 HP to 680 and 576 lb-ft torque to 644 lb-ft based on Dinan measurement (10% more power and 11.8% more torque than stock).
http://dinancars.com/product/d440-16...ries&mid=1157/

Stage 2 costs $9250 (3250+3500+3000) because you have to add Exhaust and intake to achieve those numbers (another 13 HP and 7 lb-ft of torque)
to end up 12% more HP and 13% more torque than stock!
http://dinancars.com/product/d440-16...ries&mid=1157/

[devondragon]

That's a lot of extra cost for a small % gain... but having the HP break 700 (for the CP) is kinda magical...

[michel lane]

That's a lot of money for such a small increase in power . I think I am going ask Santa who he uses to modifying his reindeers !

[Twitch Massacre]

Or just skip the Dinan bullshit and use BMS while a proper tune becomes readily available to the masses. These gains are absolutely neglectful and the price is laughable.

[BTF13M6]

I'm sticking with stage 1. Won't install until Late Feb or March due to salt.

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Good point and I doubt it does a lot by itself.
Also I am not sure if stage 2 worth at all!

The CAI by itself with no supporting software does not garner a whole lot of power and the software in conjunction with the CAI is really the only way to maximize its effectiveness. By itself however it is making about 5 HP and a couple lb-ft of torque.

As far as the pricing part of it... Stage 2 is $250 more than stage 1 and you would only need to pay the difference if upgrading. Also, while our performance numbers are quoted using our own products you can use any intake or exhaust in order to 'qualify' for stage 2. We just cannot guarantee the numbers since they have never been tested with whatever combination of 3rd party products are being used. Perhaps they make more power, perhaps they make less. The only caveat with using a 3rd party component would be Dinan would obviously not cover any warranty related claim to a 3rd party product so you would be creating a bit of a warranty loophole in that regard.

The vast majority of the M6 tunes we have floating around for this current generation are utilizing a 3rd party exhaust and intake anyway since we have been delayed in getting our product to market. There seems to be this misconception that Dinan is all Dinan or nothing. While we would prefer it that way you can use other vendors products if you desired. The main reason we would like it with all Dinan if possible is due to the warranty concerns. No other vendor has this aspect to worry about and its simply easier to deal with if there is not another variable involved in a warranty claim and/or troubleshooting that is not 'covered' by either BMW or Dinan.

[EuroKar]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Good point and I doubt it does a lot by itself.
Also I am not sure if stage 2 worth at all!

Stage 1 costs $3000 to increase the 618 HP to 680 and 576 lb-ft torque to 644 lb-ft based on Dinan measurement (10% more power and 11.8% more torque than stock).
http://dinancars.com/product/d440-16...ries&mid=1157/

Stage 2 costs $9250 (3250+3500+3000) because you have to add Exhaust and intake to achieve those numbers (another 13 HP and 7 lb-ft of torque)
to end up 12% more HP and 13% more torque than stock!
http://dinancars.com/product/d440-16...ries&mid=1157/

The prices on the website are list prices.
If you contact your local Dinan dealer I'm sure they will be more then willing to create a price deal for anyone.
I would recommend contacting an independent shop Dinan dealer for the best prices.
As for the stages, from personal experience there is a difference from stage 1 to stage 2. And for the $$$ it is worth it.
The other information that the Dinan rep. pointed out in their reply answered some good stuff in regards to what can be used etc.
I have added Dinan tunes to plenty of BMW's with non-dinan intakes, etc. and there have never been any problems with performance.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

The CAI by itself with no supporting software does not garner a whole lot of power and the software in conjunction with the CAI is really the only way to maximize its effectiveness. By itself however it is making about 5 HP and a couple lb-ft of torque.

As far as the pricing part of it... Stage 2 is $250 more than stage 1 and you would only need to pay the difference if upgrading. Also, while our performance numbers are quoted using our own products you can use any intake or exhaust in order to 'qualify' for stage 2. We just cannot guarantee the numbers since they have never been tested with whatever combination of 3rd party products are being used. Perhaps they make more power, perhaps they make less. The only caveat with using a 3rd party component would be Dinan would obviously not cover any warranty related claim to a 3rd party product so you would be creating a bit of a warranty loophole in that regard.

The vast majority of the M6 tunes we have floating around for this current generation are utilizing a 3rd party exhaust and intake anyway since we have been delayed in getting our product to market. There seems to be this misconception that Dinan is all Dinan or nothing. While we would prefer it that way you can use other vendors products if you desired. The main reason we would like it with all Dinan if possible is due to the warranty concerns. No other vendor has this aspect to worry about and its simply easier to deal with if there is not another variable involved in a warranty claim and/or troubleshooting that is not 'covered' by either BMW or Dinan.

Thanks for clarification and you are right about the extra $250 for stage 2 tuning, but my point was the total cost for stage 1 and stage 2 no matter what the Dinan parts (exhaust + intake) or other manufacturers is being used. The fact is that according to Dinan website, in order to be able to take advantage of extra 13 HP and 7 TQ (compare to stage 1) those parts must be installed and be paid right? so jumping from stage 1 to stage 2 costs $6750 or as I said stage 1 costs $3000 and stage 2 costs $9750 (a bit less or more if the other manufacturer parts are installed instead of Dinan's)... make sense?

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by EuroKar

The prices on the website are list prices.
If you contact your local Dinan dealer I'm sure they will be more then willing to create a price deal for anyone.
I would recommend contacting an independent shop Dinan dealer for the best prices.
As for the stages, from personal experience there is a difference from stage 1 to stage 2. And for the $$$ it is worth it.
The other information that the Dinan rep. pointed out in their reply answered some good stuff in regards to what can be used etc.
I have added Dinan tunes to plenty of BMW's with non-dinan intakes, etc. and there have never been any problems with performance.

How much discount do you think I can get for stage 1?
Still I think stage 2 is not worth... with stage 1 680HP and 644 lb-ft of torque can be achieved. another 13 HP and 7 lb-ft of torque is less than 2% improvement

[m6beast]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

How much discount do you think I can get for stage 1?
Still I think stage 2 is not worth... with stage 1 680HP and 644 lb-ft of torque can be achieved. another 13 HP and 7 lb-ft of torque is less than 2% improvement

Get my intake and knock off .5 second and gain 4-5 mph in the 1/4 mile. Dyno, track and VBOX Proven gains.

G

[EuroKar]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

How much discount do you think I can get for stage 1?
Still I think stage 2 is not worth... with stage 1 680HP and 644 lb-ft of torque can be achieved. another 13 HP and 7 lb-ft of torque is less than 2% improvement

I cant answer that. Each dealer has their own choice.
If you were in California I would offer you a great deal like I have posted on this forum.
There is a noticeable difference in performance from stage 1 - stage 2.
It is worth the $$ for upgrade.

[bigbrian]

With what is available right now you are only going to squeeze out +70-90hp over stock. I will say the DINAN is nice due to the warranty DINAN providea but you definitely pay for the warranty in the product price.

Hopefully in the near future (and in the US) someone will crack the ECU so we get gains where its needed -- properly across the rpm range. I am skeptical this will happen before I get antsy and get started on another car though <shrug>.

Brian

[AstonMartian777]

Idk about Dinan and their crazy as$ prices, but with BMS my car always runs lean as fvck, i will need to install meth in order to avoid that, if a normal tune doesn't come out before summer time, I will switch either to rs7 or cls63s, it's just not enough power for me right now.

[EuroKar]

Originally Posted by AstonMartian777

Idk about Dinan and their crazy as$ prices, but with BMS my car always runs lean as fvck, i will need to install meth in order to avoid that, if a normal tune doesn't come out before summer time, I will switch either to rs7 or cls63s, it's just not enough power for me right now.

CLS S 6.3 is a beast !!
Have a client that picked one up. We've installed the Weistec goodies. Amazing car to drive.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by EuroKar

I cant answer that. Each dealer has their own choice.
If you were in California I would offer you a great deal like I have posted on this forum.
There is a noticeable difference in performance from stage 1 - stage 2.
It is worth the $$ for upgrade.

I'm in Irvine , California

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by m6beast

Get my intake and knock off .5 second and gain 4-5 mph in the 1/4 mile. Dyno, track and VBOX Proven gains.

G

Thanks buddy. I'm still thinking about it
BTW, how much is it?

[EuroKar]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

I'm in Irvine , California

I'm about 50 miles south of you in Murrieta.
You can come to my shop and experience our Dinan stage 2 M6 Gran Coupe if you are interested. And you can put up your own review after if you like.
You'll be more then happy with the performance.

[noushy]

My car is at the dealership now getting some other work done, and hopefully getting the software updated from stage 1 to stage 2 while it is there. I was quoted $250 for the upgrade plus tech time which sounds correct. Looking forward to seeing the improvement, especially since my car has the M performance/akrapovic exhaust system and Gruppe M intake along with custom cats and DP from AMS.

Noushy

[bigbrian]

Originally Posted by AstonMartian777

Idk about Dinan and their crazy as$ prices, but with BMS my car always runs lean as fvck, i will need to install meth in order to avoid that, if a normal tune doesn't come out before summer time, I will switch either to rs7 or cls63s, it's just not enough power for me right now.

What is your fuel/air ratio across the power band?

When I had mine on the Dyno with BMS set at +4 the fuel/air ratio was 14.5 across the low-mid range and when it hit ~5k RPM it richen'd up to 12.5.

Curious to know what your air/fuel was across the range. If you were within the numbers above you are fine. Direct Port Injection runs leaner by design than other fuel delivery technologies -- I am sure you know that though.

Brian

[AstonMartian777]

Originally Posted by bigbrian

What is your fuel/air ratio across the power band?

When I had mine on the Dyno with BMS set at +4 the fuel/air ratio was 14.5 across the low-mid range and when it hit ~5k RPM it richen'd up to 12.5.

Curious to know what your air/fuel was across the range. If you were within the numbers above you are fine. Direct Port Injection runs leaner by design than other fuel delivery technologies -- I am sure you know that though.

Brian

I don't know what it is but the car missfires/hesitates hard at high speeds

[EuroKar]

Originally Posted by AstonMartian777

I don't know what it is but the car missfires/hesitates hard at high speeds

What is your BMS set to ?
That is no good if you are experiencing that.
You probably have a separate issue.
Do you have a scanner so you can read vehicle operating data when this is happening ?