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As for MAX , hope he gets ASAP more luck in the next races because today it was the the seventh time out of the race..
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Without the Italian sandwich , MAX was today on the podium for sure..
Because he's the rainman !
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Monumental mistake by Seb to squeeze Max and take the risk.
He should know that a racer like Max would never back down. Kimi and certainly Max not to blame, this one is on Seb. It could very well cost him the WCD.
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Ferrari's were a lot faster away in the first straight line and that nailed MAX in the Italian sandwich... 7 times out in this season alone...Don't know how to pray for MAX , but I will try to pray ASAP as a non-believer for Sepang
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Bad curse for Ferrari in Singapore...when it comes down to championship title.
First came to mind was Massa's fuel hose in 2008, another self-inflicted problem. And now, over aggressive Vettel caused double DNF here.
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Pretty common practice to put the squeeze on into the first corner guys. They called it a racing incident for good reason...Raikkonen still had a few feet to move over and brake to avoid the collision as well but he didn't budge, so you can't blame it all on Vettel. In fact, Raikkonen was actually starting to come back off the inside of the track when he collided with Verstappen.
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I don't believe anybody was particularly wrong either. I only think Vettel should've been more conservative to protect his car, but the flip side is Max would then think he's mentally weak as would Hamilton.
As a Hamilton fan, I always want Max next to Vettel. Max won't back down. That's about all the enjoyment to be had out of F1 at the moment. Too many non competitive cars on the field. Alonso claimed he could've won because he was ahead of Hamilton before he was taken out. I don't believe that was the case. Regardless, his car would've probably broken down if he was to try to put pressure on a Mercedes car lol |
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Max moved right at the start 0.15, But at 0.16-0.18, Max slowly moves left. At 0.19, Kimi is marginally ahead of him. But at 0.20 it looks like Kimi moves right and first contact is his rear wheel into Max's front wheel. While the freeze frame shows at 0.20 a couple tires widths between Max and Vettel, I'm sure the angle of Vettel moving across made it feel much closer. I still feel it was a racing incident and Max was the least to blame (despite Ferrari claiming otherwise). Last edited by jkoral; 09-18-2017 at 07:39 AM.. |
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Thanks for that slow mo vid. Watching it over and over, it seems more like it's all Kimi's fault. If he kept his line and wheel straight, he and Vettel would've successfully blocked Max.
I think it's also clear that Alonso could have prevented his incident. He had a clear view of Kimi and chose to dive down the inside of turn 1 towards Kimi rather than play it a little cool like Ricciardo. |
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And you're right, its also not uncommon for pole sitter to squeeze and protect his position at the start, especially after a slippery start. But when all of these combined together, its an ingredient of disaster. When you said Raikkonen came back from the track, his suspension was severely damaged and he was just a passenger even before the car reached Turn 1. He was just skidding on the skid blocks.
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Meh, I saw it as a racing incident with really nobody to blame. Kimi made a dynamite start, Vettel most likely didn't see it, and Max got squeezed. All of this is happening in literally thousandths of a second and we expect these guys to be perfect. Oh, and the cars are freaking super wide this year in case anybody is forgetting. ;P
Really killed the race for me though. Took out three of my favorite drivers right off the bat, and then for some reason Riccardo couldn't challenge Hamilton at all so it turned into an incredibly boring race. Oh well. |
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From what I heard from Ted Kravitz notebook and Christian Horner's post race interview. Ricciardo was managing a gearbox issuing mid-way through the race.
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Its just a perfect recipe for a crash like this with all the ingredients. But in hindsight (what a great thing), Vettel could've play smart and focus get a clean getaway on Lap 1. Even with Hamilton with a decent start, he could push wide and drop back on P4 or so after Turn 1 shuffle if no incidents.
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All the action was behind the front of the pack and there was a lot of position changes throughout the race.
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This definitely killed the race for me as well. I was pretty excited for this one. |
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Varsha wasn't very good. Lots of mistakes. I used to like him too. Maybe he didn't have enough prep time?
I can't lay blame on that start. It's just a shame as it would have been a heck of a race. My money was on Max taking it due to the wet conditions. Now Seb needs a Hamilton DNF to have a chance at the driver's title. |
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Vettel's an idiot, Ferrari are idiots, and Raikonnen predictably didn't give a shit about anybody. Here's what should've been agreed upon, prior to the start: 1) RAI - Stay the hell away from VET, or anyone near him. I really don't understand why Ferrari got rid of Alonso and kept RAI, but given the situation, demand that RAI be a team player. How could Ferrari let RAI carelessly launch himself into the WC battle like that? 2) VET - VER is guaranteed to torpedo into you; don't clash with him. VER will go into turn 1 too hot, and blow any advantage he has. Let him. For god's sake, don't squeeze him and jeopardize your entire race at turn 1. How Vettel and Ferrari couldn't have predicted this is mind-boggling. I may very well be done with this season. |
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