AMS turbo upgrade is out!

mr-karim · 06-30-2014, 02:11 PM

http://ind-distribution.com/ind/bran...bo-upgrade-kit

Apparently makes 685 whp without the tune on 93 pump, imagine what it will do with BMS piggy back!

A very slow older rwd Mercedes e63 amg did 1/4 in 10.7 secs just by upgrading turbos

I think it's worth a try, anyone else?

meshoooo · 06-30-2014, 02:41 PM

need to hear also here

bigbrian · 06-30-2014, 03:56 PM

By upgrading the turbos I am sure you would need access to change mappings in the ECU to make the new turbos work effectively/efficiently/safely.

I cannot imagine slapping on new (I am guessing bigger) turbos w/o changing the mappings is the smartest thing to do?! Has anyone addressed this part of the equation yet?

Brian

bigbrian · 06-30-2014, 04:08 PM

OK... So I thought what the hell and picked up the phone and called IND. Yes, the hardware (turbos) are available but without any software there isn't much gain. The DMIs see the extra boost and make changes to the rest of the engine to compensate and "bring the car back down to reality".

I was told IND's shop F10 made 590wrhp with the new turbos (no piggy back) -- this isn't a huge gain.

Brian

Tom C · 06-30-2014, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbrian

OK... So I thought what the hell and picked up the phone and called IND. Yes, the hardware (turbos) are available but without any software there isn't much gain without having software. The DMIs see the extra boost and make changes to the rest of the engine to compensate and "bring the car back down to reality".

I was told IND's shop F10 made 590wrhp with the new turbos (no piggy back) -- this isn't a huge gain.

Brian

Yup, even if you throw a BMS piggyback on there to "fool" the DME into thinking it is producing less boost the problem is going to be fueling. The stock DME is not going to be able to keep up with additional fueling requirement. Until that is solved, I wouldn't bother with a turbo upgrade.

Twitch Massacre · 06-30-2014, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom C

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Originally Posted by bigbrian

OK... So I thought what the hell and picked up the phone and called IND. Yes, the hardware (turbos) are available but without any software there isn't much gain without having software. The DMIs see the extra boost and make changes to the rest of the engine to compensate and "bring the car back down to reality".

I was told IND's shop F10 made 590wrhp with the new turbos (no piggy back) -- this isn't a huge gain.

Brian

Yup, even if you throw a BMS piggyback on there to "fool" the DME into thinking it is producing less boost the problem is going to be fueling. The stock DME is not going to be able to keep up with additional fueling requirement. Until that is solved, I wouldn't bother with a turbo upgrade.

+1

mr-karim · 06-30-2014, 04:53 PM

Do you think we will ever have a full tune available for our cars?

EuroKar · 06-30-2014, 07:16 PM

Absolutely. Needs the correct DME software to make necessary changes for a turbo upgrade.
Not worth a purchase without it.

Andym3100k · 07-05-2014, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by EuroKar

Absolutely. Needs the correct DME software to make necessary changes for a turbo upgrade.
Not worth a purchase without it.

Can't we use water/meth to compensate on the extra need of fuel issue?

RPiM5 · 07-05-2014, 07:09 AM

This.

EuroKar · 07-07-2014, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Andym3100k

Can't we use water/meth to compensate on the extra need of fuel issue?

No you cant. Need correct software to run efficiently.

bigbrian · 07-07-2014, 10:03 PM

Maybe someone can make a piggy back that taps into the fuel nozzles so we can trick the nozzles into spraying more.

Brian

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bigbrian riding on rails 117 Rep 655 Posts Drives: 2o13 m6 f13 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: wichita kansas iTrader: (0)	OK... So I thought what the hell and picked up the phone and called IND. Yes, the hardware (turbos) are available but without any software there isn't much gain. The DMIs see the extra boost and make changes to the rest of the engine to compensate and "bring the car back down to reality". I was told IND's shop F10 made 590wrhp with the new turbos (no piggy back) -- this isn't a huge gain. Brian __________________ /// 2o13 m6 f13 . jb4 tuned . meth injected . msr intake . 21" adv1 wheels . eisenmann race w/ catless DPs . vorsteiner full aero . accuair e-level w/ bagged KW V3 struts . dinan sways . bel stir+ w/ alp jammer . jl audio subs /// 2o13 x5m e70 . velos tuned . 22" adv1 wheels . dropped on kw variant3 coilovers . passport 9500ci radar & jammer. gets groceries fast Last edited by bigbrian; 06-30-2014 at 05:07 PM..
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