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      04-10-2015, 02:09 PM   #1
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2016 BMW M6 -- No Competition Package?

The configurator on the bmwusa.com website does not have a competition package option for the 2016 M6/M6C/M6GC.

Did they drop the competition package on the 2016 M6?
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Available starting mid-year.
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Available starting mid-year.
maybe they want to increase power/torque
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maybe they want to increase power/torque
Has to be the motor, driveline, or suspension.
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Why wouldn't they have it available now on 2016 M6 models?

It's bizarre.
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Why wouldn't they have it available now on 2016 M6 models?

It's bizarre.
Not really. It's logical that unless they were planning some changes to the motor, driveline, or suspension, they'd just carry the CP over from 2015.

This was in large part why I picked up the '15 and not the '16. When I looked at the order sheet in January, the missing CP was glaring and with the delays due to CF, I wasn't about to wait until the end of the year.
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I get your point.

But it makes more sense to carry over the CP to 2016, even if BMW plans on changing the motor mid-year. Buyers who want CP will have to wait. Thus, BMW loses out on a sale.
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Has to be the motor, driveline, or suspension.
yeah, the new X5M/X6M have the upgraded S63 with extra power/torque
could be that engine...
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Little insight-

The suspension and handling has been adjusted for the 2016s standard, so if there is a CP in the late summer/fall- it will be performance base only.

In my 2014 model- I didnt feel the extra 15hp whatsoever especially in city driving+155mph regulator.

That's why if you don't plan to track the car like myself- is exactly why I put my order in.
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I have been reading here that the 2016 B6 has 600 bhp. Maybe BMW has something similar in mind for the M6, or even more with the CP (when or if they release it). The people at my dealership all say that the M is the flagship of the performance line, even more than the Alpina models. They seem to feel the M's will always be the hottest of the BMW lineup. This would fit with the 2014 lineup and what I have seen of the 2015 - the Alpina has a bit less horsepower but a bit more torque at a lower RPM. If that is the thinking and it prevails into the 2016 models, I wonder what kind of bhp the M6 will have and with the competition package. Does anybody know what the bhp rating is for the non-CP 2016 M6?

I'm kind of regretting I did not hold off and get one with the CP. Certainly the car has a lot of hp but a few more sure would not hurt. What in addition to some tuning do you actually get with the CP? The stuff I see online is a bit vague and/or ambiguous. Personally, I wish they had a bit more displacement (bore it out to maybe 4.7-4.8 liters) and about 5 more psi boost. That ought to be good for about 675-700 bhp. As much as I love my new one, listening to you all has me already thinking about the next one, most likely a 2017 with all the goodies - CP, brakes, NV, B&O (or whatever the premium is), DA, and Exec.
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I have been reading here that the 2016 B6 has 600 bhp. Maybe BMW has something similar in mind for the M6, or even more with the CP (when or if they release it). The people at my dealership all say that the M is the flagship of the performance line, even more than the Alpina models. They seem to feel the M's will always be the hottest of the BMW lineup. This would fit with the 2014 lineup and what I have seen of the 2015 - the Alpina has a bit less horsepower but a bit more torque at a lower RPM. If that is the thinking and it prevails into the 2016 models, I wonder what kind of bhp the M6 will have and with the competition package. Does anybody know what the bhp rating is for the non-CP 2016 M6?

I'm kind of regretting I did not hold off and get one with the CP. Certainly the car has a lot of hp but a few more sure would not hurt. What in addition to some tuning do you actually get with the CP? The stuff I see online is a bit vague and/or ambiguous. Personally, I wish they had a bit more displacement (bore it out to maybe 4.7-4.8 liters) and about 5 more psi boost. That ought to be good for about 675-700 bhp. As much as I love my new one, listening to you all has me already thinking about the next one, most likely a 2017 with all the goodies - CP, brakes, NV, B&O (or whatever the premium is), DA, and Exec.
Well I'm coming from a 2014 cp m6 coupe with ceramics and all the bells and whistles. Like I mentioned above- if it's simply a daily driver and you have no intentions of tracking, you'll never feel the difference. The 2016s have an adjusted steering and suspension that's standard so it won't feel as "rough" of a drive as the 13-15s non CP. the brakes really didn't make a difference in daily commuting (I don't track my cars) also- the B&o system is a total let down. However in the 2016s it comes with the executive package- so it's not as expensive. I am an audiophile considering I make my living writing and recording music for various artists, and the B&O system in the m6 is more for show. I had it compared to a friends m5 that had the standard HK system, sounded exactly the same

The 2016 bhp btw is still 560. 501 lbs of torque
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I have been reading here that the 2016 B6 has 600 bhp. Maybe BMW has something similar in mind for the M6, or even more with the CP (when or if they release it). The people at my dealership all say that the M is the flagship of the performance line, even more than the Alpina models. They seem to feel the M's will always be the hottest of the BMW lineup. This would fit with the 2014 lineup and what I have seen of the 2015 - the Alpina has a bit less horsepower but a bit more torque at a lower RPM. If that is the thinking and it prevails into the 2016 models, I wonder what kind of bhp the M6 will have and with the competition package. Does anybody know what the bhp rating is for the non-CP 2016 M6?
Dinan measurement shows the stock M6 generates 618 HP, 576 lb-ft torque.
http://www.dinancars.com/product/d44...ries&mid=1157/

They also measured 540 HP, 574 lb-ft torque for Alpina B6 (2015 model)
http://www.dinancars.com/product/d44...ries&mid=1234/

So basically performance wise, B6 is somewhere between 6 er and M6
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I have been reading here that the 2016 B6 has 600 bhp. Maybe BMW has something similar in mind for the M6, or even more with the CP (when or if they release it). The people at my dealership all say that the M is the flagship of the performance line, even more than the Alpina models. They seem to feel the M's will always be the hottest of the BMW lineup. This would fit with the 2014 lineup and what I have seen of the 2015 - the Alpina has a bit less horsepower but a bit more torque at a lower RPM. If that is the thinking and it prevails into the 2016 models, I wonder what kind of bhp the M6 will have and with the competition package. Does anybody know what the bhp rating is for the non-CP 2016 M6?
Dinan measurement shows the stock M6 generates 618 HP, 576 lb-ft torque.
http://www.dinancars.com/product/d44...ries&mid=1157/

They also measured 540 HP, 574 lb-ft torque for Alpina B6 (2015 model)
http://www.dinancars.com/product/d44...ries&mid=1234/

So basically performance wise, B6 is somewhere between 6 er and M6
Wow really? Are they that under rated by BMW?
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I've heard that's also the case with AMG.
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Wow really? Are they that under rated by BMW?
BMW underrates all the hp and torque numbers on all vehicles and especially the M's. Like he said it's more like 600 hp for stock. With just the jb4 it's close to 640 hp.
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Wow really? Are they that under rated by BMW?
BMW underrates all the hp and torque numbers on all vehicles and especially the M's. Like he said it's more like 600 hp for stock. With just the jb4 it's close to 640 hp.
I'm definitely looking to install a jb4 on my 16 m6!
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Wow really? Are they that under rated by BMW?
Looks like they are. Spending time on different dyno results shows M6 transfers 530-550 HP , 500-520 lb-ft at wheels. Considering 10-15% drivetrain loss (let's agree with 12%), this engine for sure generates 600+ HP, 550+ lb-ft at crank!
The same thing with S55 (M3/M4). Dinan measured 484 HP, 446 lb-ft at crank. I believe the numbers BMW claims for M3/M4/M5/M6 are so close to what are measured at wheel and not at crank. MB AMG and Audi RS are doing the same thing.
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I get your point.

But it makes more sense to carry over the CP to 2016, even if BMW plans on changing the motor mid-year. Buyers who want CP will have to wait. Thus, BMW loses out on a sale.
M6 will be produced 2-3 more years (by the end of 2017 or early 2018) , so they may want to introduce CP a bit later (mid-year) to have some attraction for those already have M6 and wants to replace it with newer and more powerful model or those still need more powerful BMW. In fact BMW is buying time to be in market for another 2-3 years... make sense?
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M6 will be produced 2-3 more years (by the end of 2017 or early 2018) , so they may want to introduce CP a bit later (mid-year) to have some attraction for those already have M6 and wants to replace it with newer and more powerful model or those still need more powerful BMW. In fact BMW is buying time to be in market for another 2-3 years... make sense?
It did make sense, up until that part about BMW "buying time to be in the market for another 2-3 years". What happens then? Or is this just the standard car company thing of looking 2-3 years down the road?

Actually I believe design and product cycles are closer to 5 or 6 years but the hard core look (committed to actually making something specific and any hope of changing things has passsed) is around 3 years from what I have seen - at least with the domestics. I would imagine about everyone is on a similar schedule. It's just the logistics of making that many of one thing and getting all your suppliers in line - just in time scheduling, etc.

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I must say I don't feel the extra power of the CP, but do feel better cornering/Handling.
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It did make sense, up until that part about BMW "buying time to be in the market for another 2-3 years". What happens then? Or is this just the standard car company thing of looking 2-3 years down the road?

Actually I believe design and product cycles are closer to 5 or 6 years but the hard core look (committed to actually making something specific and any hope of changing things has passsed) is around 3 years from what I have seen - at least with the domestics. I would imagine about everyone is on a similar schedule. It's just the logistics of making that many of one thing and getting all your suppliers in line - just in time scheduling, etc.
Buying time for another 2-3 years by the time the next generation of M6 comes in. No BMW is not a standard car company, but they have to sell their cars when there are other competitors such as CLS63/E63/RS7,… out there so they have to compete with them right?
On the other hand, BMW is losing a big market of "high performance exotic cars". Mercedes has introduced the entry level AMG GTS, Audi already has R8, Porsche has GT3/GT3 RS and who knows if GT2/GT2 RS are on the way! McLaren, Ferrari, Lamo are already in that market. BMW doesn't have any car for that market and maybe the next M6 is close (and not exactly the same) but for now (2-3 years even less if they have already started designing something like M8) the only thing they can offer is "more power and torque" for their flagship car (which is M6)... If you read other threads, many M6 owners have already thought about their next car and you can see how many of them are looking for that exotic market ... read this thread:
http://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1111177
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Just been at my dealership..I don't understand why they've discontinued the CP for the M6.. I had a 13 M5 Base and have a 14 M5 CP and found a noticeable difference in handling and sound (exhaust) before my remap. I was thinking about the GC..but not now..see M5 still available in CP..
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