Dinan Piggy Back Confirmed - June

[LSM]

Just got a call and the dinan solution will be out in June for M5/M6. Supposedly 60-70 hp gain. No word on cost. They are also releasing a cold air intake and Sleeve kit for suspension

[mr-karim]

Gruppe M intake > Dinan's for sure.
If Dinan's tune will be the piggy back, then what's the difference? BMS is the same thing but costs under $500, Dinan will not be cheaper than $3000 100%

[Twitch Massacre]

Any word on price? If it is anything more than $1,000 then I don't see it being worth it over other, cheaper piggybacks. Disappointed that they couldn't come up with a proper ECU reflash but then again it seems these ECUs are unbreakable. Also, any word on the performance gains expected from the intake. The GruppeM is clearly still the king based on looks but it doesn't really do much in terms of performance for the price.

[jnkirk1974]

I want to know what the new torque figures will be. Also, what is the top speed of the M6, when the limiter is removed?

[Twitch Massacre]

Originally Posted by jnkirk1974

I want to know what the new torque figures will be. Also, what is the top speed of the M6, when the limiter is removed?

I believe it was stated before that the top speed was a little over 200. But this tune will most likely not remove the limiter though.

[Tuskir]

I hope they price is appropriately. I won't pay more than $2000 for it, but I'd pick it over BMS due to it being dealer installed and having Dinan warranty behind it.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by mr-karim

Gruppe M intake > Dinan's for sure.
If Dinan's tune will be the piggy back, then what's the difference? BMS is the same thing but costs under $500, Dinan will not be cheaper than $3000 100%

I have never seen them offer a piggy back, their reflash'es are expensive hopefully since its a piggy back instead of reflsh will be priced accordingly

[jnkirk1974]

Originally Posted by LSM

I have never seen them offer a piggy back, their reflash'es are expensive hopefully since its a piggy back instead of reflsh will be priced accordingly

I wouldn't count on it being any cheaper at all. If anything, I expect it to be more expensive, since it now will require a hardware solution. Also, they price is high, most likely due to the warranty they provide.

That being said, I received the following info from Dinan this morning, in an email. It deals with their new cold air intake. However, read the first bulletpoint. It'll give you an idea of the performance specs for the tune (this is regarding the M5....but I'd have to assume the M6 would be near identical).

Not a massive jump in horsepower. However, I was more interested in getting those torque numbers up.


Benefits of Dinan's F10 M5 Cold Air Intake:

• 627 HP and 616 lb-ft of Torque when combined with the D-Tronics Performance Tuner and exhaust. A difference of 17 HP and 11 lb-ft of torque from Dinan Stage 1 (D-Tronics Performance Tuner Only).

• Dinan proprietary Injection molded Dinan MAF housings are larger than stock

• Stock air filters are replaced with 77% larger Dinan conical air filters.

• Entire Dinan Intake system is sealed like a factory replacement to ensure only cold outside air and not hot air from the engine compartment is being utilized.

• Stock System Stays Completely Functional

• Carbon fiber air box lids and intake ducts

•Raised Dinan logos are laminated into the carbon fiber intake

• Rubber hoses, mountain brackets, & hardware included.

[Twitch Massacre]

Thanks for the info. Do you know if the HP figures are at the wheel or at the crank? 627 at the crank for the intake + piggyback + exhaust doesn't seem like much.

[jnkirk1974]

I'd have to assume the crank. I think the torque figure is nice. The HP figure is a little underwhelming. I'm sure they were intentionally conservative with that tune, since they want to leave room for stage 2, stage 3, etc.

616 Torque does make me quite happy though (however, this is assuming you get the cold air intake as well).

That's a ton of money to spend on a tune and CAI for relatively small results. That warranty is the bulk of the price.

[Twitch Massacre]

Originally Posted by jnkirk1974

I'd have to assume the crank. I think the torque figure is nice. The HP figure is a little underwhelming. I'm sure they were intentionally conservative with that tune, since they want to leave room for stage 2, stage 3, etc.

616 Torque does make me quite happy though.

616 torque is impressive for sure. I was just more concerned with HP as I feel this car has enough trouble handling the torque it already has as it is. It really has a tough time not lighting the tires on fire to begin with. 627 crank HP is very underwhelming considering what this most likely will cost.

[jnkirk1974]

Originally Posted by Twitch Massacre

616 torque is impressive for sure. I was just more concerned with HP as I feel this car has enough trouble handling the torque it already has as it is. It really has a tough time not lighting the tires on fire to begin with. 627 crank HP is very underwhelming considering what this most likely will cost.

I totally agree. Oh, and wait until you see the price tag on Stage 2. It's horrifying.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by jnkirk1974

I totally agree. Oh, and wait until you see the price tag on Stage 2. It's horrifying.

[EuroKar]

Originally Posted by mr-karim

Gruppe M intake > Dinan's for sure.
If Dinan's tune will be the piggy back, then what's the difference? BMS is the same thing but costs under $500, Dinan will not be cheaper than $3000 100%

How do you claim BMS and Dinan have the same "tune" ?
BMS wants you to change a "user" feature which all your doing is changing a programed number in the user settings.
On a tune that was developed for 550/650 models. But change this magic number and its safe for M5/M6 ?

If everyone is having the same issue with programming these ECU's and the only way to create performance gains is thru a "piggy back" setup, I would want to pay more $$ for peace of mind that if something fails I have the backing of a larger company (Dinan) who stands behind their product.
If BMS fails and you go to BMW for a claim, your probably going to get no help from BMS, realistically.

Not to bash BMS but, that is a company that can never reply to any consumers questions which can only be done thru email (Good luck if you get Terry on the phone)
To each their own, it will be interesting to see what companies release in regards to performance software and how reliable it is.

[mr-karim]

Originally Posted by EuroKar

How do you claim BMS and Dinan have the same "tune" ?
BMS wants you to change a "user" feature which all your doing is changing a programed number in the user settings.
On a tune that was developed for 550/650 models. But change this magic number and its safe for M5/M6 ?

If everyone is having the same issue with programming these ECU's and the only way to create performance gains is thru a "piggy back" setup, I would want to pay more $$ for peace of mind that if something fails I have the backing of a larger company (Dinan) who stands behind their product.
If BMS fails and you go to BMW for a claim, your probably going to get no help from BMS, realistically.

Not to bash BMS but, that is a company that can never reply to any consumers questions which can only be done thru email (Good luck if you get Terry on the phone)
To each their own, it will be interesting to see what companies release in regards to performance software and how reliable it is.

No one ever had any problems with BMS. But again if BMS fails, and again IF, then I'd have to replace a sensor, that costs about $1300; not bad at all.

[bigbrian]

Originally Posted by EuroKar

How do you claim BMS and Dinan have the same "tune" ?
BMS wants you to change a "user" feature which all your doing is changing a programed number in the user settings.

I have no real information as to what DINAN is doing but for the purpose of conversation one would have to assume DINAN is doing the same shit -- manipulating pre-existing values. Right?

What else would you be doing with a "piggy back" type tune? You seem to knock BMS for what they are doing but isn't DINAN doing the same thing?

Brian

[EuroKar]

Originally Posted by bigbrian

I have no real information as to what DINAN is doing but for the purpose of conversation one would have to assume DINAN is doing the same shit -- manipulating pre-existing values. Right?

What else would you be doing with a "piggy back" type tune? You seem to knock BMS for what they are doing but isn't DINAN doing the same thing?

Brian

Didn't knock BMS or say anything bad.
I've emailed BMS numerous times and know many people that have emailed them "because you can not talk to anyone over the phone" and ask simple questions regarding the software and boost questions. Its always been very difficult to get feed back.

[Twitch Massacre]

Originally Posted by mr-karim

No one ever had any problems with BMS. But again if BMS fails, and again IF, then I'd have to replace a sensor, that costs about $1300; not bad at all.

If BMS fails, you could also simply remove it, clear the fault codes, and bring the car in for a repair under warranty by claiming complete ignorance as to the source of the failure, at least in theory.

[mr-karim]

Originally Posted by Twitch Massacre

If BMS fails, you could also simply remove it, clear the fault codes, and bring the car in for a repair under warranty by claiming complete ignorance as to the source of the failure, at least in theory.

I didn't hide BMS from my local BMW dealership, in fact, they installed it for me
I like how you can control BMS, add boost etc. I will keep BMS until someone cracks s63tu ECU.

[Twitch Massacre]

Originally Posted by mr-karim

I didn't hide BMS from my local BMW dealership, in fact, they installed it for me
I like how you can control BMS, add boost etc. I will keep BMS until someone cracks s63tu ECU.

Interesting. 2 local dealers told me there was no way in hell they would install a piggyback tune as it would be a liability issue for them. Meaning if they installed it then they would have to cover any warranty complaint related to any damage caused by the BMS piggyback and they were not willing to take the risk. I wonder if that would be a possibility for you, if something were to go wrong because of the BMS, would they still have to honor your warranty for any OEM part or system damaged being that they were the ones who installed it.

[EuroKar]

Originally Posted by Twitch Massacre

Interesting. 2 local dealers told me there was no way in hell they would install a piggyback tune as it would be a liability issue for them. Meaning if they installed it then they would have to cover any warranty complaint related to any damage caused by the BMS piggyback and they were not willing to take the risk. I wonder if that would be a possibility for you, if something were to go wrong because of the BMS, would they still have to honor your warranty for any OEM part or system damaged being that they were the ones who installed it.

If something failed on his M6 I bet the dealer or whoever installed the item would claim no responsibility.
Regardless of selling/installing the item or not, BMW will not back him up.
A local dealership in CA just got busted for selling the same items.

[Twitch Massacre]

That would be the logical assumption to make. If it were to fail and cause further harm the logical thing would be for them to claim no responsibility, but then again my local dealerships back any "dealer installed items" for at least 2 years or for the the length to the manufacturer's warranty, which is why they told me they would not install such a tune.