Advice with BMW 650i 2011

[TOSCANO]

Hello and congratulations for you forum,

I have several BMW cars, I want to buy a used 650i coupe 2011 or 2012.With engine N63 without valvetronic with 408hp.
Could you advice me about this model?
Are there any problem with the engine or anything? I read about a check call from bmw to replace several components.I am living in Europe and My dealer does not know tris issue.
Is adaptative drive option absolutly necessary?

[arsenius]

This is shit engine, and many problems with temperature. You need to change severals radiators to become normal. Buy 650 with N63TU

[murph914]

get the n63tu engine. more power less issues. Adapdive drive is nice, but most people just leave there suspension on the default comfort or kick it into sport every time. If you like a hard suspension then get a shock kit for it later.

Have you considered the 640?

[TOSCANO]

Originally Posted by murph914

get the n63tu engine. more power less issues. Adapdive drive is nice, but most people just leave there suspension on the default comfort or kick it into sport every time. If you like a hard suspension then get a shock kit for it later.

Have you considered the 640?

Hello, I have not considered because I want v8 biturbo.My 335i e92 with n54 engine has 6line biturbo.

I read about th N63 only that there is a BMW call for change several parts.In UE noone knows nothing about this issue.

Please could you explain more the n63 problems.Is absolutely necessary buy N63TU?
650i post 2013 are N63TU are very expensive still.

[TOSCANO]

Originally Posted by arsenius

This is shit engine, and many problems with temperature. You need to change severals radiators to become normal. Buy 650 with N63TU

Hello,

What car do you drive? A shit engine?

[TOSCANO]

Originally Posted by arsenius

This is shit engine, and many problems with temperature. You need to change severals radiators to become normal. Buy 650 with N63TU

Someone with N63 that tell me anymore about the car?

Thanks

[ShakeDaddy]

Go with the advice you have been given.

Get the N63TU engine only. That is the 2013 model year or newer.

[arsenius]

Originally Posted by TOSCANO

Hello,

What car do you drive? A shit engine?

650 Grand Coupe N63TU
Shit = very bad engine!

[arsenius]

Originally Posted by TOSCANO

Someone with N63 that tell me anymore about the car?

Thanks

On December 29th, 2014, BMW released Bulletin "B001314" or the "N63 Customer Care Package " affecting any vehicle that saw use of the 4.4-liter V-8 (N63B44O0) within the 5 Series, 6 Series, 7 Series, X5, and X6 model lines manufactured between 2008 and 2013. Dealership instructions include checking the timing chain for stretching and replacing it if necessary, replacing the fuel injectors, mass air flow sensors, crankcase vent lines, battery, engine vacuum pump and low pressure fuel sensor.

The sweeping recall also extended to vehicles that had gone out of warranty, no matter how many miles were accumulated on the vehicle.

Additionally, the service interval would be shortened to nearly half, with a 12 month/10,000 mile (16,000 km) check-up instead of the long-life treatment the BMW had been maintaining up to that point, requiring a check every 2 years and 15,000 miles (25,000 km).

In June of 2013, dealerships had received a service bulletin regards to the N63 powerplant, which amended the oil capacity requirements of the engine, adding a full (1) US quart to the capacity of the motor, citing "increased oil consumption" in the twin turbo V8.

Models affected by the recall included:

F01 and F02 (7 Series Sedan)– produced from 3/2009 to 6/2012
F04 (Active Hybrid 7)– produced from 4/2010 to 6/2012
F07 (Gran Turismo)– produced from 9/2009 to 6/2012
F10 (5 Series Sedan)– produced from 3/2010 to 7/2013
F12 (6 Series Convertible)– produced from 3/2011 to 7/2012
F13 (6 Series Coupe)– produced from 7/2011 to 7/2012
E70 (X5)– produced from 3/2010 to 6/2013
E71 (X6)– produced from 7/2008 to 6/2014
E72 (ActiveHybrid X6)– produced from 9/2009 to 9/2011

The dealership bulletin was accompanied by region sales rep meetings with branch/service managers, informing of them of the forthcoming campaign, and issuing instructions to contact all owners serviced at their branches operating the N63 engine. The accompanying marketing campaign, which would be a major focus of 2015 for BMW world-wide, was intended to dampen the affect of such a wide spread recall on BMW's waining brand loyalty and customer service issues. The tactics of which could be seen in the extended efforts surrounding the recall.

BMW dealerships were instructed to offer extra incentives for owners affected by this campaign, offering trade-in cash bonuses for their N63 equipped vehicles with the purchase of a new BMW (details in a separate sales bulletin - "N63 Customer Loyalty Offer"). Sales teams were also provided with discretionary authorization to provide customers with a gift of $50 value, including anything from a gas card, gift bag containing BMW Lifestyle products, or vehicle detailing.



With 2014 being officially known in the automotive world as the "year of the recalls," it is no wonder that certain carmakers are trying and steer away from being put in the same boat as those offering cars with Takata airbags. BMW i BMW i s one of those brands, with the Bavarian automaker currently trying to pass a voluntary recall as a much fancier "customer care package." The recall involves just about every BMW with the N63 engine ever built, although probably not all cars will need to have the same amount of work done to them.

For those unfamiliar with BMW engine terminology, the N63 powerplant is the twin-turbocharged, 4.4-liter V-8 with 402 horsepower that saw use in every 5 Series, 6 Series, 7 Series, X5, and X6 model that have names ending with "50i" and were manufactured between 2008 and 2013. Having the service bulletin number B001314, the recall may take several days for each vehicle involved and could include replacement of the fuel injectors, mass airflow sensors, battery, crankcase vent lines, fuel pressure sensor, the engine’s vacuum pump and last, but certainly not least, replacement of the timing chain.

If all that didn’t sound like enough, all cars using this exact variant of the N63 engine will no longer be a part of the BMW long-life service intervals, instead requiring a service check every 12 months or 10,000 driven miles. Everything is not as grim as it sounds though, since it seems that affected BMW owners will receive a replacement car for the time that their vehicles are in the shop. Plus, the carmaker will also offer to buy-back the affected vehicle and offer a new one at a discounted price.

As with every other recall out there, having to return a vehicle so that its manufacturer can resolve a problem is not exactly the most entertaining thing to do with your time. This is probably why recalls are dreaded by both carmakers and car owners alike, and in essence they don’t bring any marketing benefit apart from the rare "look how attentive this car brand is with its customers!" talk that some people force themselves to think.

On the other hand, masking a voluntary and rather extensive engine recall as a "Customer Care Package" shouldn’t do BMW a lot of good in the long run, at least as far as its brand image in the eyes of its customers is concerned. Not to mention that certain service workers were well aware of a peculiar problem with a high number of N63 engines built between 2008 and 2013, so it took BMW quite a while to acknowledge the problem. Let’s just hope that it will end well for all parties involved, and those owners with cars sporting the more powerful N63TU engine (with 445 horsepower) should momentarily rest assured that their vehicles aren’t included in this massive recall.

[darms]

^ very informative. As a new 2012 640d GC owner i wonder if my vehicle is affected as well?

[BDO]

Originally Posted by darms

^ very informative. As a new 2012 640d GC owner i wonder if my vehicle is affected as well?

How would your diesel engined car, with a motor not related to the N63 in any way whatsoever, be affected by this?

[darms]

BDO if I lived and breathed BMWs obviously I wouldn't have asked. I'm new to the scene therefore asked the question.

[BDO]

Originally Posted by darms

BDO if I lived and breathed BMWs obviously I wouldn't have asked. I'm new to the scene therefore asked the question.

Fair enough. No, your car is powered by a totally different motor, and the N63 maladies do not apply.