07-31-2017, 11:01 AM | #639 |
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I hope not- especially the grill.
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07-31-2017, 11:15 AM | #640 |
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Indeed not sure about the grille, but I like the overall shape of the car.
low slung, compact, wide.
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The transmission positioning may be exclusive to the type (Coupe vs Roadster) or even limited to future variants (High Performance - Hybrid). From the public photos, the only auto-box so far is from ZF (due to the ZF only Gear Selector - Aisin and Borg Warner/Getrag are different). ZF does offer the 8HP in a FMR Transaxle. The 8P (Planetary Dual-Clutch) and 8DT (Conventional Dual-Clutch) module can also be used. |
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07-31-2017, 04:46 PM | #644 |
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Yes I know ZF also has a transaxle box but that is I think used for midengine configs, not a front engine-rear gearbox config.
And I've also seen interior mule pictures with a manual. They would have to mount that too to the transaxle somehow. So I see quite some engineering hurdles for that. I'm not convinced it will get a transaxle. Unless they've developed a complete new line of transmissions for this project. Its possible of course but very difficult for a car that has such low volume potential that they've teamed up with another manufacturer. I guess we'll see My money is still very much on current bmw tech (so probably no transaxle), although letting it be fabricated at steyr gives more flexibility platform wise. In that scope it might get getrag technology, because you know who owns Getrag.... Getrag does have a true dual clutch transaxle box, a very very very nice one, but not a manual. And again I suspect that Getrag transaxle to be too expensive (used in ferraris, merc SLS and the like...) I understand now that the lfa transaxle pic had nothing to do with your reaction concerning the z4.
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Getrag does in-fact have a 7 Speed Manual. The 7DCL/T uses that transmission with BorgWarner Clutch Assembly, GWS, and Mechatronics. That said, it's most likely the Z4 is going to be placed conventionally and the Supra with Transaxle. ZF would be the exclusive supplier to take advantage of the modularity benefits. Last edited by lemetier; 07-31-2017 at 05:40 PM.. |
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07-31-2017, 06:02 PM | #646 |
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^still that pic too would seem to me as a piece fo hardware way to expensive for a ~$60k car.
And the supra having a different drivetrain layout than the z4 seems very very complicated and cumbersome to make within 1 platform, having to need different subframes and the lot. Possible... sure, but imo unlikely for a car/platform that has been struggeling for money for 5 years or so where multiple manufacturers had to team up to get a sufficient potential customer base. Usually that screams partsbin (certainly in this day and age of multimarket universal platforms) and not extensive development of custom tech. But it would be quite a stunt if bmw/toyota could pull something like this.
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I hate these stupid square exhaust finishers. Give me pipes or give me death.
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07-31-2017, 07:46 PM | #649 |
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Logically the Z4's range structure and specifically the engine offering will mimic the other current and future models bearing the 3/4 number. Meaning a potential (but in this case unlikely) 6 cylinder M version sitting on top, followed by a (in this case top of the range) 6 cylinder M40i M Performance version, followed by a 4 cylinder 30i mid/entry level regular version. Therefore no non-M Performance 6 cylinder.
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I think by the time the z4 finally sits in the showroom, every bmw model with every engine variant will be 'M performance' labeled
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07-31-2017, 08:05 PM | #651 | |
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HF01,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 M40i,ROA,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, HF02,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 M40i,ROA,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, HF03,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 M40i,ROA,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, HF11,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive20i,ROA,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, HF12,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive20i,ROA,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, HF21,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive20i,ROA,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, HF22,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive20i,ROA,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, HF31,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive30i,ROA,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, HF32,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive30i,ROA,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, HF33,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive30i,ROA,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, HF41,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive30i,ROA,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, HF42,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive30i,ROA,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, HF43,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive30i,ROA,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, HF51,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 M40i,ROA,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, HF52,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 M40i,ROA,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, HF62,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 M40i,ROA,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, HF71,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive20i,ROA,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, HF81,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 sDrive20i,ROA,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, HF91,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 M40i,ROA,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, HF92,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 M40i,ROA,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, HF93,P,BMW PKW,Z',G29,Z4 M40i,ROA,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, Last edited by lemetier; 08-01-2017 at 10:04 AM.. |
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^that list is not conclusive. That would mean that even for the m40i there will be a manual transmission. But thats not a certainty.
That list comes from I think from a file uploaded somewhere here to bimmerpost (I saw that file too). And in that same file there were also model codes for an e89 35is with manual transmission. And that car was for instance never offered/made. For every 'possibility' they made a model code. Doesnt mean it will be made (of course I hope they will ) But still everything what advantage20 says is conform that list, apart from what he says the 'unlikely z4m'. That could come with the facelift/later (as they have done with the z3 and e85 z4)....or not Would be interesting to know what planned difference would be between model code HF51 and HF91 though, probably manual and DTC? And the difference between HF62 and HF02 (there are more similar european automatic versions)? in what way would they differ? But as it looks like the toyota will only come with 1 transmission, not a manual one....
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Sure as f**k better not look like that. U put the 5er nose on the damn thing.
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The E89 Z4 sDrive 35iS Global Standards Type Certificates that were used are actually these: LM11,P,BMW PKW,Z',E89,Z4 sDrive35is,ROA,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, LM12,P,BMW PKW,Z',E89,Z4 sDrive35is,ROA,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, LM13,P,BMW PKW,Z',E89,Z4 sDrive35is,ROA,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,MECH,,,, On the TC Application, transmission type choices are Mechanical, Hydraulic, Pneumatic, Electric, or Other. DKG does not have a torque converter so it is classified as Mechanical. This creates an issue with certain control modules and Workshop Software Programs. In order to run specific tests and perform Software Changes on DKG equipped vehicles, a Type Code for Automatic has to be substituted in. For those occasions these are used: LM21,P,BMW PKW,Z',E89,Z4 sDrive35is,ROA,,,EUR,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, LM22,P,BMW PKW,Z',E89,Z4 sDrive35is,ROA,,,EUR,RL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, LM23,P,BMW PKW,Z',E89,Z4 sDrive35is,ROA,,,USA,LL,RWD,2,AUT,,,, The differences on the G29 are a bit more complicated. One possibility is the dummy Type Code when a non Torque Converter transmission is used, another is engine variant (B46 vs B48), a third is final assembly location. It can be two of those or even all of them combined. The Toyota models are a a different story and im somewhat stuck for words on how to approach it at the moment beyond retracting the Transaxle Statement for "The Supra". Actually I removed them following an ahah moment. Those are quite speculative until further scrutiny is taken. |
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