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Dinan Piggy Back Confirmed - June
Just got a call and the dinan solution will be out in June for M5/M6. Supposedly 60-70 hp gain. No word on cost. They are also releasing a cold air intake and Sleeve kit for suspension
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Gruppe M intake > Dinan's for sure.
If Dinan's tune will be the piggy back, then what's the difference? BMS is the same thing but costs under $500, Dinan will not be cheaper than $3000 100%
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Any word on price? If it is anything more than $1,000 then I don't see it being worth it over other, cheaper piggybacks. Disappointed that they couldn't come up with a proper ECU reflash but then again it seems these ECUs are unbreakable. Also, any word on the performance gains expected from the intake. The GruppeM is clearly still the king based on looks but it doesn't really do much in terms of performance for the price.
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I want to know what the new torque figures will be. Also, what is the top speed of the M6, when the limiter is removed?
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I hope they price is appropriately. I won't pay more than $2000 for it, but I'd pick it over BMS due to it being dealer installed and having Dinan warranty behind it.
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I have never seen them offer a piggy back, their reflash'es are expensive hopefully since its a piggy back instead of reflsh will be priced accordingly
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That being said, I received the following info from Dinan this morning, in an email. It deals with their new cold air intake. However, read the first bulletpoint. It'll give you an idea of the performance specs for the tune (this is regarding the M5....but I'd have to assume the M6 would be near identical). Not a massive jump in horsepower. However, I was more interested in getting those torque numbers up. Benefits of Dinan's F10 M5 Cold Air Intake: • 627 HP and 616 lb-ft of Torque when combined with the D-Tronics Performance Tuner and exhaust. A difference of 17 HP and 11 lb-ft of torque from Dinan Stage 1 (D-Tronics Performance Tuner Only). • Dinan proprietary Injection molded Dinan MAF housings are larger than stock • Stock air filters are replaced with 77% larger Dinan conical air filters. • Entire Dinan Intake system is sealed like a factory replacement to ensure only cold outside air and not hot air from the engine compartment is being utilized. • Stock System Stays Completely Functional • Carbon fiber air box lids and intake ducts •Raised Dinan logos are laminated into the carbon fiber intake • Rubber hoses, mountain brackets, & hardware included. Last edited by jnkirk1974; 05-22-2014 at 12:45 PM.. |
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Thanks for the info. Do you know if the HP figures are at the wheel or at the crank? 627 at the crank for the intake + piggyback + exhaust doesn't seem like much.
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I'd have to assume the crank. I think the torque figure is nice. The HP figure is a little underwhelming. I'm sure they were intentionally conservative with that tune, since they want to leave room for stage 2, stage 3, etc.
616 Torque does make me quite happy though (however, this is assuming you get the cold air intake as well). That's a ton of money to spend on a tune and CAI for relatively small results. That warranty is the bulk of the price. |
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BMS wants you to change a "user" feature which all your doing is changing a programed number in the user settings. On a tune that was developed for 550/650 models. But change this magic number and its safe for M5/M6 ? If everyone is having the same issue with programming these ECU's and the only way to create performance gains is thru a "piggy back" setup, I would want to pay more $$ for peace of mind that if something fails I have the backing of a larger company (Dinan) who stands behind their product. If BMS fails and you go to BMW for a claim, your probably going to get no help from BMS, realistically. Not to bash BMS but, that is a company that can never reply to any consumers questions which can only be done thru email (Good luck if you get Terry on the phone) To each their own, it will be interesting to see what companies release in regards to performance software and how reliable it is. |
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What else would you be doing with a "piggy back" type tune? You seem to knock BMS for what they are doing but isn't DINAN doing the same thing? Brian
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I've emailed BMS numerous times and know many people that have emailed them "because you can not talk to anyone over the phone" and ask simple questions regarding the software and boost questions. Its always been very difficult to get feed back. |
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If BMS fails, you could also simply remove it, clear the fault codes, and bring the car in for a repair under warranty by claiming complete ignorance as to the source of the failure, at least in theory.
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I like how you can control BMS, add boost etc. I will keep BMS until someone cracks s63tu ECU.
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Regardless of selling/installing the item or not, BMW will not back him up. A local dealership in CA just got busted for selling the same items. |
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That would be the logical assumption to make. If it were to fail and cause further harm the logical thing would be for them to claim no responsibility, but then again my local dealerships back any "dealer installed items" for at least 2 years or for the the length to the manufacturer's warranty, which is why they told me they would not install such a tune.
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