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      05-23-2015, 04:22 AM   #133
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Moving off topic now but I said this somewhere else, a transaxle would change the weight distribution from about 53/47 to 48/52 or there abouts. Moving the front axles forwards of the engine would help further, there are still some tricks BMW could use with a front engined layout. Look at a Ferrari 612 for instance. That layout with a 7 speed DCT and S63Tu would be great.

Or throw in the i8 electric motors at the front axle and in the gearbox as well as the above which I guess would make it closer to the FF than 612.
I believe BMW has already started using those tricks. The M6 GT3 (concept) has transaxle configuration:
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1127523

Hopefully the next generation of M6 will have the same configuration of AMG GTS (front-mid engine + transaxle) with ~47/53 weight distribution.
By front-min engine I mean exactly what you said: "Moving the front axles forwards of the engine". This also improve the handling by reducing the under-steering unlike RS7 (with AWD and moving engine forward the front axle) is suffering from under-steering...
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      05-23-2015, 04:03 PM   #134
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Yes I did see that. With the width of an M6 and there only being two seats in the back it must be possible. It would just be a matter of cost to develop that setup for just one car.

The RS7 is rubbish. It really annoys me when I read a review and they don't talk about not only the understeer or the cheap plastic interior but also that it torque steers! The front diff is located beside the gearbox at the front and in turn the car torque steers, most noticably in first and second. In other front wheel drive cars with 150hp or 200hp a little bit of torque steer is annoying, in a 2.1t 560hp car the torque steer is simply terrifying! It isn't much to be fair but it is not a nice experience.
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I wouldn't get the 2016. 2017 is when they are launching the new model. 600hps!

That's what you want! 😉
Next M6 is a loooong way ahead. All articles posted to date are pure speculation and lots of BS. Fact is M car production spans 5 years and then there is usually a 1-2 year hiatus between the outgoing model's end of production and the new model's start of production meaning the soonest you'll see the new M6 is 2019 possibly 2020.
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The extra power will only help high speed acceleration, traction improvements are needed more than added HP and Torque, and even at that, there's plenty of options for us to upgrade to and beyond that power at a lower cost. Not sure of the answer, bigger rear tires? I realize AWD robs power and adds weight, so that may not be the improvement that we want but can't add aftermarket.

I just have to say I'm un-impressed with their new improved Comp Package, as I was with the old one. I expect more from BMW than that, maybe they should enlist some of our talented aftermarket tuners to help them?
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The extra power will only help high speed acceleration, traction improvements are needed more than added HP and Torque, and even at that, there's plenty of options for us to upgrade to and beyond that power at a lower cost. Not sure of the answer, bigger rear tires? I realize AWD robs power and adds weight, so that may not be the improvement that we want but can't add aftermarket.

I just have to say I'm un-impressed with their new improved Comp Package, as I was with the old one. I expect more from BMW than that, maybe they should enlist some of our talented aftermarket tuners to help them?
The solution to our traction problems is considerable weight loss which we won't see until the next gen M6 shows up with a carbon fiber monocoque chassis. For now we just have to live with. Remember, it takes much more energy and effort to flick a rock across a room than a cotton ball.
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Here ya go my man!

Engines in the new BMW 6-series (2017)

It is clear that the Bavarian Motor Works will continue to put a strong emphasis on the evolution of the legendary straight six, codenamed B57, B58 and S55. Motors already confirmed to CAR include:

BMW 640i 3.0-litre in-line six (B58) 347bhp
BMW 640d 3.0-litre in-line six (B57) 333bhp
BMW 650i 4.4-litre V8 476bhp
BMW M6 4.4-litre V8 bi-turbo 600bhp

Four-wheel drive xDrive models will be offered across the board, but a hybrid is at this point not pencilled in.



http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-sho...hter-sportier/



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Are you talking about the 2016 alpina b6? Hah that's not an m6 my man.

Awesome car though!
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Engines in the new BMW 6-series (2017)

It is clear that the Bavarian Motor Works will continue to put a strong emphasis on the evolution of the legendary straight six, codenamed B57, B58 and S55. Motors already confirmed to CAR include:

BMW 640i 3.0-litre in-line six (B58) 347bhp
BMW 640d 3.0-litre in-line six (B57) 333bhp
BMW 650i 4.4-litre V8 476bhp
BMW M6 4.4-litre V8 bi-turbo 600bhp

Four-wheel drive xDrive models will be offered across the board, but a hybrid is at this point not pencilled in.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-sho...hter-sportier/



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Next M6 is a loooong way ahead. All articles posted to date are pure speculation and lots of BS. Fact is M car production spans 5 years and then there is usually a 1-2 year hiatus between the outgoing model's end of production and the new model's start of production meaning the soonest you'll see the new M6 is 2019 possibly 2020.
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Engines in the new BMW 6-series (2017)

It is clear that the Bavarian Motor Works will continue to put a strong emphasis on the evolution of the legendary straight six, codenamed B57, B58 and S55. Motors already confirmed to CAR include:

BMW 640i 3.0-litre in-line six (B58) 347bhp
BMW 640d 3.0-litre in-line six (B57) 333bhp
BMW 650i 4.4-litre V8 476bhp
BMW M6 4.4-litre V8 bi-turbo 600bhp

Four-wheel drive xDrive models will be offered across the board, but a hybrid is at this point not pencilled in.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-sho...hter-sportier/" rel="ugc" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.carmagazi...-sportier/</a>" rel="ugc" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...rtier/</a></a>



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Next M6 is a loooong way ahead. All articles posted to date are pure speculation and lots of BS. Fact is M car production spans 5 years and then there is usually a 1-2 year hiatus between the outgoing model's end of production and the new model's start of production meaning the soonest you'll see the new M6 is 2019 possibly 2020.
So that proves my point. They're claiming the Standard 6 launches in 2017. Not to mention there's a lot of questionable info there like stating the Gxx gen will still be using the 4.4liter V8 with 600hp. Doubtful they will be using the same S63tu power plant or even something similar having already developed a more efficient and potentially more powerful TTV8 power plant for the new M SUVs. The article almost confirms 2017 will still be a Fxx gen M6 and most likely the last before the 2 year hiatus. If the Gxx gen 6 series comes out in 2017 then under BMW's current M launch schedule that means the Gxx M6 will probably launch mid 2019 as a convertible and early 2020 as coupe with the Gran Coupe following shortly after all models will most likely be using the new 4.0L TTV8 from the new X5M/X6M instead of the current S63tu. If CAR is claiming that the M model is launching alongside the standard series variants in 2017 then they need to fire their editor. Thanks for the article.
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The g platform will most likely come out in 2017 as a 2018 model year. But that is still two years away, and I doubt the m6 will be out at the same time. 2019 model year sounds about right for m6.
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Here ya go my man!

Engines in the new BMW 6-series (2017)

It is clear that the Bavarian Motor Works will continue to put a strong emphasis on the evolution of the legendary straight six, codenamed B57, B58 and S55. Motors already confirmed to CAR include:

BMW 640i 3.0-litre in-line six (B58) 347bhp
BMW 640d 3.0-litre in-line six (B57) 333bhp
BMW 650i 4.4-litre V8 476bhp
BMW M6 4.4-litre V8 bi-turbo 600bhp

Four-wheel drive xDrive models will be offered across the board, but a hybrid is at this point not pencilled in.



http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-sho...hter-sportier/



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Are you talking about the 2016 alpina b6? Hah that's not an m6 my man.

Awesome car though!
^^What the two gentleman above me said.
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Here ya go my man!

Engines in the new BMW 6-series (2017)

It is clear that the Bavarian Motor Works will continue to put a strong emphasis on the evolution of the legendary straight six, codenamed B57, B58 and S55. Motors already confirmed to CAR include:

BMW 640i 3.0-litre in-line six (B58) 347bhp
BMW 640d 3.0-litre in-line six (B57) 333bhp
BMW 650i 4.4-litre V8 476bhp
BMW M6 4.4-litre V8 bi-turbo 600bhp

Four-wheel drive xDrive models will be offered across the board, but a hybrid is at this point not pencilled in.



http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-sho...hter-sportier/
Did you notice the published date: It's 02 December 2014
Looks dated to me. I think it's still too soon to judge about next generation of 6er specially M6 which will be at least 3 years away
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Engines in the new BMW 6-series (2017)

It is clear that the Bavarian Motor Works will continue to put a strong emphasis on the evolution of the legendary straight six, codenamed B57, B58 and S55. Motors already confirmed to CAR include:

BMW 640i 3.0-litre in-line six (B58) 347bhp
BMW 640d 3.0-litre in-line six (B57) 333bhp
BMW 650i 4.4-litre V8 476bhp
BMW M6 4.4-litre V8 bi-turbo 600bhp

Four-wheel drive xDrive models will be offered across the board, but a hybrid is at this point not pencilled in.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-sho...hter-sportier/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.carmagazi...-sportier/</a>" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://<a href="http...rtier/</a></a>



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Next M6 is a loooong way ahead. All articles posted to date are pure speculation and lots of BS. Fact is M car production spans 5 years and then there is usually a 1-2 year hiatus between the outgoing model's end of production and the new model's start of production meaning the soonest you'll see the new M6 is 2019 possibly 2020.
So that proves my point. They're claiming the Standard 6 launches in 2017. Not to mention there's a lot of questionable info there like stating the Gxx gen will still be using the 4.4liter V8 with 600hp. Doubtful they will be using the same S63tu power plant or even something similar having already developed a more efficient and potentially more powerful TTV8 power plant for the new M SUVs. The article almost confirms 2017 will still be a Fxx gen M6 and most likely the last before the 2 year hiatus. If the Gxx gen 6 series comes out in 2017 then under BMW's current M launch schedule that means the Gxx M6 will probably launch mid 2019 as a convertible and early 2020 as coupe with the Gran Coupe following shortly after all models will most likely be using the new 4.0L TTV8 from the new X5M/X6M instead of the current S63tu. If CAR is claiming that the M model is launching alongside the standard series variants in 2017 then they need to fire their editor. Thanks for the article.
It's really hard to believe anything on the Internet nowadays...

It's such an expensive car that I would be SO pissed if I got it and then found out a new model is coming out, so I wanted to share my findings with the current m6 owners, respect to you kids! That's a SICK car!

I WILL get it when my current lease is up
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