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      02-08-2013, 01:04 AM   #45
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Great report by Chris Monkey as always!
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      02-08-2013, 03:45 AM   #46
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Not sure why some people are saying he tested the car in comfort mode. Chris is not an idiot, if he knows theres a comfort mode he sure as hell knows theres a sport mode.
Because that's what HE says in the video!
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      02-08-2013, 04:17 AM   #47
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M6 is more near CL 63 to me, and if we test one next to the other we'll not see so many advantages for the Merc.
On the other hand, M6 with Individual interior is awesome
+1 This.

Comparing the $108k M6 to a $146k SL63 is idiotic.
Not to mention one is a 'small' 2 seater roaster and the other is a 'huge' 4 seater coupe.
And leaving the setting in comfort is the last straw.
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      02-08-2013, 05:52 AM   #48
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^ He tested in comfort due to the bumpy (back) roads, this was the best setting for that kind of road.
On circuit in Sport+ M6 offers much more intense feelings
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      02-08-2013, 07:44 AM   #49
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M6 definitely the better looking car. But the Benz engine is superior. Imagine the output with a simple tune!
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      02-08-2013, 11:45 AM   #50
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iDrive baffling? It's the easiest of them all!

And wobbles a lot? Chris should've known that you should put it in Sport or Sport+ if you want it Sporty?

I've driven 2 of these M6's for around 100 miles each on different roads. Freeways, twisties and regular roads. The M6 is the better all-around car, but still with the M touch.

The market has clearly changed and BMW has to adjust to what the market wants, sacrificing a little bit of their M character, but not totally taking it out.
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      02-08-2013, 11:49 AM   #51
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I don't know how many of us here will agree with you on M6 being a PURE RACE CAR. I certainly don't. I am not a M6 owner not had I spent more than 20-30 mins test driving one on the road. It looks great and have plenty of power to play with, yet very comfortable. However, it's far from being nimble if you compare it to any pure sports car needless to say race cars.
I would sugguest spending an hour in this car in M mode (sports+) on the track and you will feel the race car I'm talking about compared to the Merc.

My best friend owns one and it's a lot better than most of us will ever know.
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      02-08-2013, 12:02 PM   #52
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Get over it people...did you get to test and beat on both cars on a variance of roads and a circuit and make a relative comparison? No. But, he did. He is comparing the looseness of the M to the merc and that just means the merc felt stiffer and more compliant overall. Don't forget the merc also has "comfort" mode as its default as well which, most likely, means its comfort setting is just programmed sportier than the M's.

Im sure the M6 is stiff and sporty enough for 95% of the people out there, but alas fanboy's will always cry and shout. One day Chris is the best reviewer around to you guys and the next he is a "paid off" schmuck? It is well known that there have been many mixed reviews on all of BMW's new cars including the M6...being softer, less communicative, and generally less sporty than previous iterations. I think the M6 is a much better looking car and would easily take it over the SL, even if it is pure fact that it is slower and less fun to drive, simply because it speaks to me more. Anyhow, he did pick the M6 initially, didn't he? I'm sure you M6 guys would be in an uproar if he put it up against a cheaper and lowly GTR that will surely smack it on a track and perhaps destroy the M in a straight line...at least from a launch. Bah, it is a BMW forum I suppose.
By no means am I an "M fanboy" I do think that as a drivers car AMGs are superior, which is why I have an SLS for a weekend toy. But the SLS is only good at one thing which is going super fast, and make me laugh, I'd never drive it daily. I also have an 07 Continental GT which is an excellent GT car but has no emotion to it. My Targa 4S is way too low and stiff for a daily commute. However the M6 combines all of these cars into one. It can bring out all of these emotions by simply pushing a button. Now it's not as good at doing what thoose cars speacialize in but it does bring all of thoose characteristics into one car.

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      02-08-2013, 03:07 PM   #53
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I'm sorry but its just hard to believe he reviewed the m6 several times and not once did he change the modes out of comfort.
+1
And I don't think he is talking about suspension setup but how solid (strong) the frames are... Change the suspension setup to a hard setting would just make things worse... (more frame twisting) correct me if I'm wrong...!!

Thats why Chris said comparing the M6 convertible to the SL would be no good so he choose the coupe instead.
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      02-08-2013, 06:08 PM   #54
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I think Chris should at least elaborate on exactly how this, "Wobble" occoured and on what road(s).

At the point in the video when he says it, it shows the M6 with a video camera from the outside showing him and the steering wheel. It's hard to notice but there is a bit of vibration but I can't tell if it's from the M6 or from the camera.

What are we talking about here? Structural rigidity? Loose steering wheel? I mean how can the M6 Convertible be so bad that he couldn't compare them and then make a Face Gesture like the M6 Cab is trying out for the BAJA 400?

I need Tiff Needle to test out the M6...
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I think Chris should at least elaborate on exactly how this, "Wobble" occoured and on what road(s).


What are we talking about here? Structural rigidity? Loose steering wheel? I mean how can the M6 Convertible be so bad that he couldn't compare them and then make a Face Gesture like the M6 Cab is trying out for the BAJA 400

He is talking about structural rigidity.

Check the video at 0:41 , 03:51 and 08:15
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      02-08-2013, 10:25 PM   #56
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I think BMW is trying to do too much with the M6. I have a 650 with a tune and it 'feels" as much as a M6 as I need on the street. M cars need the track to justify their price etc ... I had a E92 M3 and I felt the same way. Great car "but" it really needs the track to shine.

AMG makes great street and track cars and recently adding AWD to their AMG's will make them the best (besides Porsche) car for those who demand great street cars and track cars. The Audi S7, S8 have really stepped up in this area.

Besides, a Mustang etc will be a better track car. You wouldn't care as much about it getting damaged vs a $100K plus car (unless your really rich). There are many cars now that are fun to drive and cheap.

BMW must evolve with the times. Produce a real sports car!

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      02-09-2013, 05:49 AM   #57
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awesome review! always loved Chris Harris
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      02-09-2013, 07:31 AM   #58
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This further shows the competition has caught up BMW, if not surpassed. BMW better be sure with their new M3/M4, it could be the first M3 not to be KING, M5 is already no more KING.
what are you on about? M5 is pissing all over the competition!
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what are you on about? M5 is pissing all over the competition!
Really? Not as did the M5 E34 which was the fastest sedan in the world.
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I don´t get the haters, very honest review marking up the good and bad of the two. Seems me the M6 does better on the road based on Chris´ comments but the SL has more feel.

To me, just the noise put them apart, the M5/6 just sound like expensive 4 bangers whereas the Merc sounds like a real V8, I think I wouldn't buy any of them, merc is too ugly and the M6 is not a true sports car, for that money I'd rather have a plain Carrera and a normal 3 series for the daily.
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The "loose steering wheel" thing is probably the Lane Change Warning kicking in when he has the car at 90 degrees!
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      02-10-2013, 09:06 AM   #62
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The new m6 is such a beauty. I would take it any day over the merc. Even if the merc was faster.
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I don´t get the haters, very honest review marking up the good and bad of the two. Seems me the M6 does better on the road based on Chris´ comments but the SL has more feel.

To me, just the noise put them apart, the M5/6 just sound like expensive 4 bangers whereas the Merc sounds like a real V8, I think I wouldn't buy any of them, merc is too ugly and the M6 is not a true sports car, for that money I'd rather have a plain Carrera and a normal 3 series for the daily.
The M6 must have murdered the SL AMG, but it didn't. Show how BMW is nomore that superior. And wait for the next comparo of M6 vs. CLS AMG vs. RS7 vs. Panamera Turbo S. M6, though good looking, has no chance in performance, and that is a shame for a car that is an ///M.
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The SL63 AMG is not a direct competitor to M6 coupe. One is a 2 seater the other one is 4 seater. He should have compared the M6 to a CL63 AMG.

Also, if he drove the cars around race tracks and roads why did he say he did not mess much with settings. He should have messed with the settings and compared both at their best settings against one another.

One thing is for sure.....I agree with him. The M6 is better of the two looks wise and that is the one I would take home. All the extra money I save from not buying a SL63 AMG would allow me to pick up BMW's super sport bike.
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