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As a side note (since many people are referring to heavy weight and large size of M5/M6 compare to their predecessors) , the weight of these cars is exactly what it has to be. 10% more weight (compare to E6x) is the price of 20% more power and 50% more torque! Yes it's the law of physic...In order to handle 600+ HP and 550+ lb-ft torque of a front engine RWD car compare to 500 HP and 380 lb-ft torque you need to have a heavier car and this is exactly what is missing in F8x M3/M4. That much torque for that light car is a lot. You really cannot use the low end torque. I do not have F8x, but have read many threads and have test driven the car twice both in DSC ON and MDM. Indeed there is not much difference between DSC ON and MDM since DSC is always interfering because of that much torque while in M6 with more torque (as I mentioned before) and more weight, always I drive the car in MDM with no issue except the rainy days and I feel the difference between DSC ON and MDM. M5/M6 are not true track cars while M3/M4 are track cars and that's where you need that torque but as a DD car, I believe something between S55 and S65 is a perfect match for this chassis.
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The M3/M4 are more comfortable on the track due to their dynamics and build as well as design. More nimble and now with the new versions more torque than probably the MDM can handle at times. Many folks do say that is the problem...traction with the car to some which folks are fixing with sway bars and other mods. Driving dynamics are improved and for once it looks like they didn't make the F8x hugely larger than its predecessors in an effort to remember that weight is the enemy mostly of performance. Yes you can add torque and hp and solve some of it with electronics but at a cost to the overall design at some point. So its nice that BMW did remember that with this design I think. As their model line expands...waiting to see the M4 GC and X4M they soon will have a line/product that caters to each buyers particular needs. So going from a 4 to a 6 or 6 to a 5 or even an X or vice versa ultimately becomes a personal issue that combines buyers needs, driving habits/style, preferences, and oh yeah how much of their soul they want to sell to BMW (aka the old wallet transfer!)
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Looking at a 650i X coupe (not gran) and wonder if any one on here can comment on the seating position of the coupe versus the 5 series. Does the 6 have a "step down" feel to get into the seat or more "step in" feel?
Basically, has anyone compared the seat height level to a 5 series or other cars? Appreciate the thoughts. |
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The 6 is definitely lower. Nominal H-point is about 3 inches lower, but it of course depends where you put the seat. I would say I feel like I am stepping down slightly into the 6, but not as much as say a Corvette. But I have my seat pretty much bottomed out. With the 5 I feel like I am stepping in.
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And the vert!
Feel way lower getting in than in my previous 5 ( though that was a GT and hardly comparable). But def down into my vert. |
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You had 6 er for 6 months correct? let's wait for 6 months on your new M3 and then compare the quality at that time
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So finance has been good to me...can't imagine paying for something I don't own...but that's just me talking. but I understand your point as well...it's nice to have a new one every 3 years... I've done the same believe it or not through financing, but I had control over my asset and decision...I sell it when I want to and keep it when I want...I've kept them all less than 3 years and didn't have to worry about mileage limit, accidents, wear & tear, etc. and sold it extremely well, every time...BMW's are generally a car that don't sit too long in your driveway, if you want to sell...The key though is that you need to keep your car in a shipshape condition so the first buyer takes it without haggling...my cars have always been like that... |
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However, I personally believe the seats in my 6GC are some of the worst seats in the BMW line-up (they are without a doubt the worst seats I've personally ever had in any of my BMWs). There are numerous people here complaining about how bad they are in terms of comfort. Maybe the Coupe has better seats?
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I think it is the M6/M5 seats cause my 6 series seats were okay but not great...I do enjoy the M3/M4 sport seats better. As for ventilated option...shyt have had them in actually in a few cars and sorry I cannot for the life of me see the utility. Had them in a Panamera, a Cayenne, and my 650ix GC and I am sorry but never had my rear soo hot that I needed to soothe it with cool air ventilation from the seat. Now glad to see heated seats as standard in the M3! Man I use that on a regular basis in ALL my vehicles. But hey to each his own I guess.
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Funny, because we have both cars. My wife drives a '14 435xi and I have a '14 640xi. I love, love, love the 640. The 435 feels more like a sports car, and it sounds better, imho (but, I think the '15 640 comes with the performance exhaust standard).
Here's my general opinions: Fit and finish: Hands down 640 winner Sporty feeling: 435 Acceleration: Seems pretty even, but I have a JB4 in my 640 Cornering: 435, but the 640 handles surprisingly well Cool factor: I feel like a million bucks driving the 640, and it gets tons of looks Trade-in risk: I would definitely want something different if I had a 435 for a while, but I feel like I could drive my 640 for a decade and still be thrilled to get in it Cockpit: Seats in the 640 are amazing, and you really do feel like you're sitting in a fighter jet or something Wife's thoughts: She thinks my car is awesome, but she prefers a smaller car, and she thinks my car feels huge, which it kind of does I'm not a very technical car guy, so I can just give you the subjective thoughts above. But, I think it comes down to whether you are more interested in the driving experience or the aesthetic experience. Feel free to ask any specific questions you have. Last edited by jwblack750; 03-06-2015 at 11:02 PM.. Reason: spelling |
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Thanks for all the feedback, guys. It's a bit of a funny story - bought a 428i and drove it for a month, was happy with it, but couldn't get the 6 out of my head...so I am picking up a 640i this Friday.
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