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      01-23-2014, 09:39 AM   #45
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So let me get this straight: We were beaten by the RS7 some time ago and now we are competing it with other cars so that it makes us feel good?!
I like the review, but I'd say they should work on getting it back to where it really should be rather than comparing it with a Jaguar! (with all do respect to Jaguar lovers)
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Finally a proper comparison with no AWD cars in it. Bravo Chris!
My thoughts exactly.
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Best Review Of M6 But...

Those damn AMGs are catching up so rapidly! I keep saying BMW have spent too much time chasing alternative drive and Eco tech that they have underestimated their competition.

I really hope the next gen is the leap that puts leagues ahead again.
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Wonder if the result would be any different with the 4 wheel drive version of the amg. I have one and love it . And yes , the gearbox is the downside of the car and the 7 inch navi display haha
I think it would be a great significance, albeit an apples-to-oranges comparison. The all-wheel AMG would definitely beat the M in a drag race.
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Those damn AMGs are catching up so rapidly! I keep saying BMW have spent too much time chasing alternative drive and Eco tech that they have underestimated their competition.

I really hope the next gen is the leap that puts leagues ahead again.

It's inevitable that AMG is going to wise-up with a more modern gear box any minute now. THEN it'll be WAR. (In a good way! )
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So let me get this straight: We were beaten by the RS7 some time ago and now we are competing it with other cars so that it makes us feel good?!
I like the review, but I'd say they should work on getting it back to where it really should be rather than comparing it with a Jaguar! (with all do respect to Jaguar lovers)
So let me get this straight... All you drive is straight 6cyl... And you say "we get beat", like you're in the big boy V8 league???... You are minor league cockroacher!
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      01-23-2014, 10:08 AM   #51
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Das was awesome...but M6+exhaust all the way!!!!!!
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So let me get this straight: We were beaten by the RS7 some time ago and now we are competing it with other cars so that it makes us feel good?!
I like the review, but I'd say they should work on getting it back to where it really should be rather than comparing it with a Jaguar! (with all do respect to Jaguar lovers)
Chris Harris did the same drag race a few months ago with the RS6 avant and the Mercedes CLS without the performance pack. In that race the RS6 hit 60mph in 3.9, and 100mph in 8.7, The M6 GC did 4.0 to 60, and 8.2 to 100mph...a full .5 faster than the RS6 to 100mph. Also the RS6/7 are one trick ponies, and that trick is quick from a stop acceleration. In terms of performance credentials its not in the same league as the M6 GC from an engineering stand point. The RS has an 8 speed auto, electric steering, awd, poor weight distribution, and 21 inch cartoon wagon wheels (not ideal for track) but maybe rolling down the boulevard. The M6 GC has better weight distribution, a DCT, hydraulic steering ( I know it will probably be the last M with this), lower center of gravity, and more chassis reinforcement to make it stiffer...for example the M6gc Rear axle subframe is bolted directly to body structure.
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M6 is also a sub 4 second car, if he used launch control. I'd venture to say it would be a close race. But with the drivetrain loss of the AWD, I still think the M6 would pull on it when they get rolling. Look at the last 20 seconds of the vid, Chris even admits that his launch sucked. Definitely some time to be shaved there.
I think that's actually a reasonable assessment.

The M6 Gran Coupe impressed me. That's for sure.

Looks like it might be worth the extra $20k over the RWD E63-S variant. That said, $20k is an awful lot.
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So let me get this straight... All you drive is straight 6cyl... And you say "we get beat", like you're in the big boy V8 league???... You are minor league cockroacher!
excuse your language!!!
you're in a BMW forum...hadn't you noticed!
"we get beat" means BMW!!!
It wasn't about who drives what?!
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I still can't get over the fact that a BMW weighs more than the comparable Benz.
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E63 AMG S 585HP has AWD 4Matic, not RWD
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E63 AMG S 585HP has AWD 4Matic, not RWD
You're incorrect.

You can't get the 4MATIC model in the UK. He even states that fact in the video.

"But because all the UK's cars are RWD only, we'll have to put up with a best time of 4.1secs in the S - which is still... rapid. But we do at least get the S, which will set you back roughly £10,000 extra over the regular E63's £74,945 list price."

http://www.topgear.com/uk/mercedes-b...-4matic-driven

Same thing in Australia.

"Australia was lucky enough to get the E63 AMG S in rear-wheel drive."

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au...amg-s/2083091/
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ok. I checked it. You are right

For UK:
http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...ical_data.html
E63 AMG 557HP RWD
E63 AMG S 585HP RWD
For German:
http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/...ta/models.html
E63 AMG 557HP RWD
E63 AMG 557HP AWD
E63 AMG S 585HP AWD
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ok. I checked it. You are right

For UK:
http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...ical_data.html
E63 AMG 557HP RWD
E63 AMG S 585HP RWD
For German:
http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/...ta/models.html
E63 AMG 557HP RWD
E63 AMG 557HP AWD
E63 AMG S 585HP AWD
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I still can't get over the fact that a BMW weighs more than the comparable Benz.
That surprised me as well. The fact that the E63 had the best steering feel, on road and track, was also a good sign for AMG.

The MCT is really starting to get it's butt kicked by the DCT. BMW's DCT keeps getting stronger and even the ZF 8-speed seemed to be a tad bit more lively than the MCT.

The SLS BS and CLA45 have the DCT. Don't understand why they can't implement it throughout the AMG lineup.
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I still can't get over the fact that a BMW weighs more than the comparable Benz.
That surprised me as well. The fact that the E63 had the best steering feel, on road and track, was also a good sign for AMG.

The MCT is really starting to get it's butt kicked by the DCT. BMW's DCT keeps getting stronger and even the ZF 8-speed seemed to be a tad bit more lively than the MCT.

The SLS BS and CLA45 have the DCT. Don't understand why they can't implement it throughout the AMG lineup.
I agree with you ! I have a feeling the new c63 with its new v8 4.0 biturbo will have 4matic and double clutch ! Watch out M3/4 !
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that M6 GC is one of the prettiest cars BMW has ever made, in my opinion. That doesn't mean its my favorite by any means, but my goodness it just looks so damn sexy
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Another great review by Chris (although my favorite is the one of F12 Berlinetta). M6 also the better looking one out of three.
that F12 video is one of the best pieces of Automotive journalism I have ever seen.

A lot of the credit should go to his producer Neil Harvey as well, the direction is every bit as sublime as Chris's commentary and driving.
I agree with you 100%. It's definitely a masterpiece that brought (and showed) the best out of Chris and his producer.
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That surprised me as well. The fact that the E63 had the best steering feel, on road and track, was also a good sign for AMG.

The MCT is really starting to get it's butt kicked by the DCT. BMW's DCT keeps getting stronger and even the ZF 8-speed seemed to be a tad bit more lively than the MCT.

The SLS BS and CLA45 have the DCT. Don't understand why they can't implement it throughout the AMG lineup.
The MCT isn't bad, it's actually pretty good. It's just the DCT is damn near perfect. If I'd never driven a DCT I'd think the MCT was the best transmission ever.

The only thing I don't like about the MCT is that it downshifts to first in manual mode around 2-3 mph. So when you slow down for a yield sign in 2nd, right as you give a little throttle to continue on you get thrust back in the seat cause at the exact same moment it decided to downshift to first for you. Horrible! That's my only complaint, otherwise it responds will to inputs and upshift and downshifts very quickly.

I find the MCT is superior to the ZF 8-speed. Not sure what Chris liked better about the ZF. Although the supercharged jag I drove wasn't an wasn't an S, maybe the S is better although I doubt it.
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Sometimes it's nice for a change. I have been with BMW for so long and would love to try out the e63
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I agree with you ! I have a feeling the new c63 with its new v8 4.0 biturbo will have 4matic and double clutch ! Watch out M3/4 !
I concur. They're both going to be phenomenal cars with distinct personalities. I'm sure the C63 will remain as anxious as ever to destroy its rear tires. FWIW, the transmission has not been confirmed for the W205 C63. It could get the MCT again. Although I'm hoping for the DCT.

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The MCT isn't bad, it's actually pretty good. It's just the DCT is damn near perfect. If I'd never driven a DCT I'd think the MCT was the best transmission ever.

The only thing I don't like about the MCT is that it downshifts to first in manual mode around 2-3 mph. So when you slow down for a yield sign in 2nd, right as you give a little throttle to continue on you get thrust back in the seat cause at the exact same moment it decided to downshift to first for you. Horrible! That's my only complaint, otherwise it responds will to inputs and upshift and downshifts very quickly.

I find the MCT is superior to the ZF 8-speed. Not sure what Chris liked better about the ZF. Although the supercharged jag I drove wasn't an wasn't an S, maybe the S is better although I doubt it.
You make several good points.

The MCT is an outstanding transmission. In the automatic driving modes (C, S, and S+), I actually find it to be on par with the DCT in terms of quickness. However, the MCT is also smoother/less jerky than the DCT.

In M mode, the DCT outshines the MCT.

Prior to owning my C63 w/ MCT, I had a 2013 F30 M Sport 335i with the 8-speed ZF Sport Auto. transmission. In M mode, the upshifts were noticeably quicker than the upshifts in M mode in my C63. That's the only area in which I felt the ZF 8-speed held an advantage. I was absolutely blown away by the lighting-fast upshifts that transmission was capable of.

I can't figure it out. Downshifts with the MCT are instantaneous in M mode. Upshifts, on the other hand, just aren't quite as quick.
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