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      11-05-2012, 09:55 AM   #23
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I'd be interested in your thoughts on this. Was the 6K off invoice only on the '12s hanging around? Was my impression those cars were almost being given away, especially with the hp upgrade in the '13s.
No the 6K USAA incentive is off '13's as well. Actually not much difference in discount between 12 & 13. Go for a '13
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No the 6K USAA incentive is off '13's as well. Actually not much difference in discount between 12 & 13. Go for a '13
Have you tried the new iDrive?

I played around with it over the weekend on the new 7, and while it is faster (not noticeably, however) and the 3D graphics are cool, I'm not so sure it would be a dealbreaker for me. Probably because I don't really use my NAV all that much. Also, the 3er does not have it yet.

Would I like to have it? Sure.

Is it going to be a deal breaker for me? Nope.
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Well, i was waiting for for the new I Drive as well. I might wind up getting one of these...
I seriously thought about 991 911 before deciding on the F12.

The 911 was just too rich, when optioned about on par with the F12. Yes, I know the 911 is a better sports car, handles better, etc., so it's not really an apples-to-apples to comparison.

The base 911 seems kind of cheap with no options, and then when you add everything that makes it a liveable car, it gets above 100k pretty quick. Doesn't seem worth it.

I would definitely dig the 991S, but then you're easily looking at M6 territory price-wise, if not more.
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      11-05-2012, 05:25 PM   #26
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iDrive, stereo, 3D maps, shiny this, whistling that.

Seriously, in my opinion if that's what you're buying this car for, then you're wasting your money. There are only 2 important changes, in my book. 1 is the engine upgrade, but hey, do I really need another 50 HP? Probably not.

The other is the lack of a left pedal from now on. That's the more important change for me. And in the end, all it means to me for sure is that I 100% absolutely, positively will not be getting another 6 series when the time comes. At the rate sticks are dying, I'm going to have to buy a 2013 Subaru SBZ in a few years...
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      11-05-2012, 06:40 PM   #27
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iDrive, stereo, 3D maps, shiny this, whistling that.

Seriously, in my opinion if that's what you're buying this car for, then you're wasting your money. There are only 2 important changes, in my book. 1 is the engine upgrade, but hey, do I really need another 50 HP? Probably not.

The other is the lack of a left pedal from now on. That's the more important change for me. And in the end, all it means to me for sure is that I 100% absolutely, positively will not be getting another 6 series when the time comes. At the rate sticks are dying, I'm going to have to buy a 2013 Subaru SBZ in a few years...
Everyone decides for themselves and I don't fault your personal assessment. I'm pissed that there is ANYTHING BMW is putting in any car that they aren't putting in one of their flag ship models. My opinion, but since this will be my third 6 series in M6 or 650 trim, I have a good idea about the value proposition and right or wrong reasons as to why I would or would not buy this car.

I do agree about the '13s with the added horsepower. I'd be depressed to be stuck in a '12. Guess that's why they are nearly giving them away.
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      11-05-2012, 08:03 PM   #28
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I seriously thought about 991 911 before deciding on the F12.

The 911 was just too rich, when optioned about on par with the F12. Yes, I know the 911 is a better sports car, handles better, etc., so it's not really an apples-to-apples to comparison.

The base 911 seems kind of cheap with no options, and then when you add everything that makes it a liveable car, it gets above 100k pretty quick. Doesn't seem worth it.

I would definitely dig the 991S, but then you're easily looking at M6 territory price-wise, if not more.
This is exactly why I never looked too closely at a 911.

Add on the performance options at the cost of interior comforts and luxury and you get a boring, in attractive interior but a great car for a little over $100k.

Add the interior options and skip the performance features, and you get a soft 911 for just over $100k.

Add both sets of features and you get the 911 I'd actually consider buying, and it's $135k after making it look good and play good

OR

Get a 650i and add ARS, contrast stitching, ceramic controls, and a Nappa dash, and you get everything for a reasonable price.

I don't argue that the $135k 911 is a superior car, but as a daily driver, my money goes to the *cough* reasonable *cough* 6er.
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      11-05-2012, 08:45 PM   #29
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Fully agree with Southern. Besides, there are simply too many 911's on the road compared to the current generation 6er or even the previous 6er.
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This is exactly why I never looked too closely at a 911.

Add on the performance options at the cost of interior comforts and luxury and you get a boring, in attractive interior but a great car for a little over $100k.

Add the interior options and skip the performance features, and you get a soft 911 for just over $100k.


Add both sets of features and you get the 911 I'd actually consider buying, and it's $135k after making it look good and play good

OR

Get a 650i and add ARS, contrast stitching, ceramic controls, and a Nappa dash, and you get everything for a reasonable price.

I don't argue that the $135k 911 is a superior car, but as a daily driver, my money goes to the *cough* reasonable *cough* 6er.
The final straw for me was paying something like 4k for power adjustable and memory seats on a 100k car.
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If I were going to wait until March I would go ahead and keep waiting until July for this.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/11/05/bm...-in-july-2013/
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      11-06-2012, 01:42 PM   #32
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Well, I originally started looking at a Benz E550 coupe, and might give it a second look. But that car is slated for a facelift sometime in '13, not sure when. I might even look at the new C7 '14 Vette being introduced in Jan. Supposed to be a big improvement over the C6. Now I know it's not in the same class as the 650, but it's also over $30,000 less and they just announced the engine - 6.2L V8 direct injection, variable valve timing, Cyl deactivation
450 HP/450Lb torque. We'll see.
Heres something in the same class

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/06/n...detroit-debut/
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      11-06-2012, 10:24 PM   #33
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The final straw for me was paying something like 4k for power adjustable and memory seats on a 100k car.
Paying several thousand dollars for the Porsche Dopple-klopple-lung (or however you say/spell their DCT PDK), which most cars have as standard, was another turn off for me. Saying the name is kinda fun though
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Fun thread. If you want the latest tech, highly recommend waiting for the 2014s.
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      11-08-2012, 04:29 AM   #35
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Fun thread. If you want the latest tech, highly recommend waiting for the 2014s.
And then wait some more for the 2015s
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Paying several thousand dollars for the Porsche Dopple-klopple-lung (or however you say/spell their DCT PDK), which most cars have as standard, was another turn off for me. Saying the name is kinda fun though
Oh. That's why my 650i GC is so special...... It does not have DCT

Sorry. Can't help it.
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Not worth the wait !
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